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Discussion: WOC MIddle Final starts tonight at 8 PM EDT

in: Orienteering; General

Aug 10, 2005 8:43 PM # 
eddie:
Looks like the women start at 8 (with Erin leading off) and the men start at 8:30. Sandy starts at 9:12 EDT. Both Matthi-i are running for SUI. I think its Erin's day today. She'll have a "fresh" course without all the clutter and people stomping around running every whicha-way. Will crack open a package of McVittie's Digestive Biscuits (imported from Canada) in honor of the occasion while watching tonight. Go get 'em Sandy and Erin!
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Aug 10, 2005 9:48 PM # 
Hammer:
McVittie's Digestive Biscuits ??
Aug 10, 2005 9:56 PM # 
eddie:
The best!
Accept no substitutes. Erin runs faster on these things. They are hard to find in the US, but most CAN groceries have them. Thats the real reason I go to nav-stock :) I catch hell at the border: "anything to declare?" "Nope, just 6 kilos of cookies."
Aug 10, 2005 10:35 PM # 
eddie:
Does anyone have information about the B finals? I can't find a schedule anywhere.
Aug 10, 2005 11:21 PM # 
PG:
Saw the following on a british site (Nopesport) -- "Initially, the organisers had planned to have B finals but the IOF have axed them, but non-qualifiers will be able to run an unofficial B final as part of the spectator races." Can't vouch for its accuracy.
Aug 11, 2005 12:17 AM # 
MBrooks:
The last WOC bulletin still lists a B-final, but it's the same schedule as the public racing. So that is apparently what they are doing today.

The long B-final is on a different schedule than the public race tomorrow.
Aug 11, 2005 12:32 AM # 
Spike:
Has anyone seen any reports or intermediate splits yet?
Aug 11, 2005 12:34 AM # 
MBrooks:
Not yet. Just a couple start times going from x:xx:00 to x:xx:01.
Aug 11, 2005 12:34 AM # 
khall:
Nope, either it is very late in the course, or the early runners are going to be a lot slower than the predicted winning time ...
Aug 11, 2005 12:38 AM # 
Spike:
Ester Gil just showed up at the split in 34 minutes.
Aug 11, 2005 12:45 AM # 
eddie:
Digestives for Erin!!
Aug 11, 2005 12:49 AM # 
khall:
Oops. Going first is tough. Looks like Erin might be with the Latvian woman now ...
Aug 11, 2005 12:53 AM # 
stever:
Looks like Fincke has set the early mark to beat.
Aug 11, 2005 12:54 AM # 
stever:
Yeah, Erin's in. And "5th in the world", for a few minutes anyway.
Aug 11, 2005 12:55 AM # 
khall:
Well done Erin! Definitely a good run from the intermediate control to the finish. I think I'll eat a few cookies and drink a beer in your honor, in fact! Good to see a NH woman carrying the tradition of running in WOC finals :-)
Many more to come!
Aug 11, 2005 12:57 AM # 
khall:
And I have to add a little 'Go Helen' for my old Leeds University teammate!!
Aug 11, 2005 12:58 AM # 
jeffw:
Those who go first get to clear out the spider webs for the rest.
Aug 11, 2005 12:58 AM # 
stever:
Based on the intermediate times so far, looks like Erin had a strong finish.
Aug 11, 2005 1:07 AM # 
andyd:
Look at the Aussies go!
Aug 11, 2005 1:11 AM # 
khall:
Good vibes to Sandy on the start line now ...
Aug 11, 2005 1:12 AM # 
stever:
Dlabaja is first to the intermediate control for the men. Starting first that must be a good feeling. Oh, and first to finish too.
Aug 11, 2005 1:21 AM # 
stever:
Based on the fastest intermediate to final times, we should see <35 min for both the men and women.
Aug 11, 2005 1:26 AM # 
eddie:
Here are some photos we took of Sandy at the spectator control
of the Middle Distance Final last year in Sweden:



(click for larger versions)
Aug 11, 2005 1:26 AM # 
andyd:
See Zsuzsa Fey's split from the intermediate? She took 2 minutes out of everyone so far. I wonder if that came down to a route choice.
Aug 11, 2005 1:29 AM # 
pi:
Anna in the lead at the intermediate! My Linköping team mate!
Aug 11, 2005 1:32 AM # 
MBrooks:
The Lithuanian runner that barely beat Erin to the intermediate split took less than three minutes to finish. I'm suspecting a glitch at intermediate on a couple of these.
Aug 11, 2005 1:33 AM # 
khall:
I wonder whether there is something funny about the intermediate control.... the Latvian in 14th place at the moment apparently only took 3 minutes from the intermediate to the finish......
Aug 11, 2005 1:36 AM # 
Sandy:
The name Irina Mikhalko seems awfully familiar - is this the same Irina that was in DVOA land in the mid 1990's?
Aug 11, 2005 1:36 AM # 
eddie:
It almost looks like the intermediate times are being radioed by voice periodically. Maybe its a typo or voiceo.
Aug 11, 2005 1:38 AM # 
eddie:
The men's times are coming in now too.
Aug 11, 2005 1:42 AM # 
eddie:
Sandy should be at the intermediate soon!
Aug 11, 2005 1:44 AM # 
Hammer:
Sandy! O Canada! 5th
Aug 11, 2005 1:44 AM # 
stever:
Go Sandy go (good thoughts, good thoughts, keep on swimming, swimming ...)
Aug 11, 2005 1:44 AM # 
Hammer:
Is Ted's top 10 finish in jeopardy of being broken? Go Sandy!
Aug 11, 2005 1:45 AM # 
eddie:
ROCK! Go SANDY go!!
Aug 11, 2005 1:47 AM # 
Hammer:
Only 8-9 runners start behind her. Definately a top 15 (best ever by a nor-am woman is 18th) is possible here
Aug 11, 2005 1:48 AM # 
eddie:
Sandy finished 41st last year.
Aug 11, 2005 1:49 AM # 
eddie:
LETS go SAN-dy!! (clap clap, clap-clap-clap)

LETS go SAN-dy!! (clap clap, clap-clap-clap)
Aug 11, 2005 1:51 AM # 
Hammer:
5th at this finish so top 15 is gaurenteeed here.
Aug 11, 2005 1:52 AM # 
eddie:
She's sub 7min from the intermediate. How does that compare? Anybody been watching those?
Aug 11, 2005 1:52 AM # 
pi:
Holy shit, this is exciting!
Aug 11, 2005 1:53 AM # 
Hammer:
The bulgarian is behind so top 12 is a gaurentee.

GO Canada GO. This is awesome!
Aug 11, 2005 1:54 AM # 
eddie:
Riina's too slow - thats one less!
Aug 11, 2005 1:54 AM # 
MBrooks:
Only the leader and the glitches have been under 7 so far.
Aug 11, 2005 1:54 AM # 
Bender:
Was out walking the pooch... so just got to the computer. Holy crap! Nice run Sandy!
Aug 11, 2005 1:55 AM # 
Hammer:
Hi pooch.
Aug 11, 2005 1:56 AM # 
eddie:
Martina's a minute back at intermediate!!!!
Aug 11, 2005 1:56 AM # 
stever:
Simone's first to intermediate; hope she doesn't carry too many others with her.
Aug 11, 2005 1:57 AM # 
Hammer:
Simon is about to catch Jenny.

Sandy will be 8th overall I think!
Aug 11, 2005 1:57 AM # 
MBrooks:
Everyone is through intermediate, Sandy 10th there.
Aug 11, 2005 1:59 AM # 
Sandy:
Top 10 looks good...
Aug 11, 2005 2:00 AM # 
khall:
Looking good ... looking good ....
Aug 11, 2005 2:01 AM # 
khall:
3 seconds in front of the Swiss woman ... good kicking! Fantastic run Sandy! Wahoo!!!!!!!!
Aug 11, 2005 2:01 AM # 
eddie:
Its gonna be 8!
Aug 11, 2005 2:01 AM # 
pi:
The intermediate cannot be trusted...
Aug 11, 2005 2:01 AM # 
Spike:
What a great race by Sandy. Top 10 and best in the Hott Johansen household...

Meanwhile, David Anderson's finish time looks good.
Aug 11, 2005 2:02 AM # 
eddie:
YES YES YES!!!!!
Aug 11, 2005 2:04 AM # 
stever:
Where's Minna?
Aug 11, 2005 2:05 AM # 
Spike:
Bronze medal to Minna
Aug 11, 2005 2:05 AM # 
khall:
9th, top NAmerican ever - fantastic run Sandy!
Aug 11, 2005 2:06 AM # 
eddie:
Minna's in. Sandy takes 9th!
Aug 11, 2005 2:07 AM # 
khall:
We should also applaud the course setters for nailing the 32 minute thing!
Aug 11, 2005 2:12 AM # 
eddie:
Anyone want to call the Men's race?
Aug 11, 2005 2:13 AM # 
stever:
Who woulda thought a text screen could be so gripping? Rock on Sandy. Gotta be some cheering going on in an otherwise quiet corner of New Brunswick right now.
Aug 11, 2005 2:17 AM # 
Sudden:
1. TG, 2. JR (not Ewing) and 3. DA (I hope) but I fear AN.
Aug 11, 2005 2:18 AM # 
stever:
Rostrup in with a competive intermediate split. See if he can smoke the finish.
Aug 11, 2005 2:19 AM # 
Sudden:
Well, Andersson has made mistakes after the intermediate split so Chris and JR both have great chances to best times.
Aug 11, 2005 2:19 AM # 
Hammer:
1. AN, 2. TG, 3.JR
Aug 11, 2005 2:21 AM # 
eddie:
C'mon Jorgen!
Aug 11, 2005 2:22 AM # 
Hammer:
Tero! Holy crap. Is this guy human?
Aug 11, 2005 2:23 AM # 
eddie:
Jorgen was 7th in the Sprint last year. He also had the fastest time on the relay anchor leg to give Norway the Gold.
Aug 11, 2005 2:23 AM # 
Spike:
TG's split looks hard to beat.
Aug 11, 2005 2:23 AM # 
stever:
Woah, TG is on fire.
Aug 11, 2005 2:27 AM # 
Hammer:
Where's AN? Heia Norge!
Aug 11, 2005 2:27 AM # 
eddie:
Will this be a three-peat for TG in the Middle?
Aug 11, 2005 2:27 AM # 
stever:
TG must have blown right by Kerschbaumer.
Aug 11, 2005 2:28 AM # 
pi:
TG, unreal!
Aug 11, 2005 2:29 AM # 
Sudden:
The King of Middle Distance did it again.
Aug 11, 2005 2:29 AM # 
stever:
AN's split is in, not going to be his day.
Aug 11, 2005 2:35 AM # 
eddie:
Here's Terro and Mats Haldin rounding the last corner of the Middle Distance final last year in Sweden to take the gold:


(click for larger version)
Aug 11, 2005 2:38 AM # 
Hammer:
Wow! I still can't believe Sandy's 9th place. Very inspirational for all of us. Time to break out the Mcvitties and a two-four of 50!
Aug 11, 2005 2:44 AM # 
Bash:
I'm having dark chocolate to celebrate.
Aug 11, 2005 2:49 AM # 
Swisscheese:
Yeepee Sandy!! Actually, I think this is a well deserved result.
About Simone and Thierry, are we all really so slow?!
Aug 11, 2005 2:51 AM # 
eddie:
I downed 1/4 of the biccies already during the excitement! Does Kirin even come in two-fours? Truly awesome. Can only immagine what the NA guys are going through over there now. It must be pandalerium! "Dogs and Cats living together" kinds of craziness!!
Aug 11, 2005 3:38 AM # 
eddie:
I crunched the numbers for the intermediate-to-finish split for the women. Pretty interesting. Not sure if the first two are believable. Sime, Jenny and Zsuzsa are close enough together to be believeable. Incredible really. Check out Erin at 33.

Spl place   Name     Split(mins) Country  Overall: time pl

-----------------------------------------------------------
1 Vilma_Rudzenskaite 2.93834 Lithuania 44:45.3 32
2 Signe_Søes 3.27167 Denmark 40:44.3 21
3 Simone_Niggli 4.48833 Switzerland 32:46.3 1
4 Jenny_Johansson 4.97833 Sweden 34:59.7 2
5 Zsuzsa_Fey 4.98000 Romania 38:07.8 8
6 Martina_Fritschy 5.43000 Switzerland 38:21.8 10
7 Minna_Kauppi 5.76666 Finland 35:50.0 3
8 Hanny_Allston 6.71667 Australia 39:54.0 18
9 Bernadett_Kelemen 6.73667 Hungary 44:19.2 31
10 Lea_Müller 6.92167 Switzerland 37:55.3 7
11 Anna_Mårsell 6.93834 Sweden 35:58.3 4
12 Sandy_Hott_Johansen 6.95833 Canada 38:18.5 9
13 Mingyue_Zhu 7.01334 China 46:04.8 38
14 Riina_Kuuselo 7.12500 Finland 39:53.5 17
15 Ieva_Sargautyte 7.14334 Lithuania 38:49.6 11
16 Anni-Maija_Fincke 7.20833 Finland 37:03.5 5
17 Hanna_Palm 7.27500 Sweden 39:12.5 12
18 Marianne_Andersen 7.32333 Norway 39:40.4 15
19 Tracy_Bluett 7.34667 Australia 39:23.8 13
20 Aija_Skrastina 7.52167 Latvia 45:53.3 37
21 Helen_Winskill 7.53000 Great_Britain 40:33.8 20
22 Tatiana_Ryabkina 7.81167 Russia 37:49.7 6
23 Céline_Dodin 7.82333 France 43:14.4 28
24 Iliana_Shandurkova 7.83500 Bulgaria 41:20.1 22
25 Natasha_Key 7.97166 Australia 45:07.3 35
26 Antoniya_Grigorova 7.97167 Bulgaria 44:02.3 30
27 Yoko_Bamba 8.00667 Japan 42:58.4 27
28 Irina_Mikhalko 8.01333 Russia 42:09.8 24
29 Eva_Jurenikova 8.07833 Czech_Republic 39:38.7 14
30 Juliette_Soulard 8.11666 France 44:48.0 33
31 Elisa_Dresen 8.35667 Germany 44:54.4 34
32 Shihoko_Ochiai 8.45333 Japan 47:59.2 42
33 Erin_Olapsen 8.47667 USA 52:40.6 43
34 Natalia_Korzhova 8.61000 Russia 45:23.6 36
35 Mhairi_Mackenzie 8.72667 Great_Britain 47:17.6 41
36 Tania_Robinson 8.74000 New_Zealand 39:41.4 16
37 Esther_Gil 8.86500 Spain 43:28.9 29
38 Martina_Dockalova 8.87833 Czech_Republic 42:32.7 25
39 Helene_Hausner 9.09833 Denmark 42:44.9 26
40 Marianne_Riddervold 9.10000 Norway 41:28.0 23
41 Inga_Dambe 9.12833 Latvia 40:08.7 19
42 Éva_Makrai 9.63333 Hungary 47:01.0 40
43 Vendula_Klechova 9.72833 Czech_Republic 46:32.7 39
44 Anne_Konring_Olesen -33.6167 Denmark 0:0 DSQ

Aug 11, 2005 3:43 AM # 
Tundra/Desert:
Yes, same Irina Mikhalko.
Aug 11, 2005 4:38 AM # 
Tapio:
2 more Bronze medals for Finland by Minna Kauppi and Jarkko Huovila. And, tomorrow we'll see Jani win the Long Final and Minna race against Simone for the second time. Hyvä Suomi!
Aug 11, 2005 6:13 AM # 
arcticQn:
First of all I would like to say a huge congratulations to Sandy! She looked very fast out there.
Second of all, thank you for all of your support, reading through all these comments after the race is humorous and very interesting to see.
I had a fairly terrible time out there, made a large error on the first control, which was my goal NOT to do, got caught by the Spanish girl and was just so fatigued that I could not push to stay with her. From then on I was making several small hesitatino and route choice errors and just couldn:t concentrate. (Tripping over everything from not being able to lift my legs didn:t help.)
It:s an embarrassing result, but I suppose my goal for this WOC was to make an A final. Next time, though, I think I will have to clarify my goals.
Thanks again for the support and congratulations to Sandy!
Aug 11, 2005 6:14 AM # 
kwilliams:
Way to go Sandy! Awesome run! And great job Erin too in your WOC Final Debut!
Aug 11, 2005 10:58 AM # 
Jagge:
Irina M. has run some excellent relay legs for our team Rastivarsat during last two years.
Aug 11, 2005 1:08 PM # 
JDW:
Nothing to be embarassed about Erin!!! We're thrilled to have had you represent us in the Finals. IIRC that was one of Team's goals, was it not?

I hope that with time you'll be able to look back on your experience as a great achievement!

And Cheesydude asks a good question. Is eveybody really that slow? Tero & Sime beat everybody by more than 4 and 6% respectively????

Aug 11, 2005 1:16 PM # 
JDW:
Clean map and
Tero's winning route
Aug 11, 2005 2:57 PM # 
jfredrickson:
Sime continues her perfect record. She has won every single race so far (3 qualifications and 2 finals). Looking good for a repeat of Switzerland 2003.
Aug 11, 2005 3:02 PM # 
JDW:
another bunch of maps here

just look at the largest files.

Aug 11, 2005 3:51 PM # 
khall:
I think that it is pretty clear from the winners that success leads to greater confidence, less hesitation, and more success! Self-belief must be a huge part of their speed. I can't believe they would be so far ahead in, say, a trail race.
Simone and Tero KNOW they can win, and so they do!
Aug 11, 2005 3:53 PM # 
khall:
So, by that theory, Sandy is now free to have an absolutely AWESOME relay run :-)
Aug 11, 2005 6:07 PM # 
eddie:
Damn straight. And she will, too.
Aug 11, 2005 6:11 PM # 
mindsweeper:
Eddie - you hacker you.
Aug 11, 2005 6:36 PM # 
eddie:
Swampfox, I see that mushroom growing areas area actually marked on the middle distance map with a special symbol. Terro seems to have resisted the temptation.
Aug 11, 2005 6:59 PM # 
Atropos:
Here is the middle distance video
There is even some english in this one!
Aug 11, 2005 7:16 PM # 
eddie:
Love the budda statues in the forest. Is that an icepack on Jenny's ankle?
Aug 11, 2005 9:24 PM # 
eddie:
spjelkavik.net had this one pic of Jon spectating at the middle final (Jon is on the right). Or maybe he's standing in front of a firing squad...its hard to tell from the photo. :)
Aug 11, 2005 9:29 PM # 
bshields:
There's an article about Sandy on the IOF website. "The best non-European result ever"
Aug 11, 2005 9:36 PM # 
jfredrickson:
Not to play down Sandy's awesome result, but what about the Aussies? Surely they have placed better than 9th. Or are they considered Europeans now?
Aug 11, 2005 9:44 PM # 
bshields:
I don't know about previous WOCs, but Troy de Haas was 7th in the Sprint. Maybe they don't consider the sprint to be a legitimate discipline, or maybe whoever wrote the article got carried away. Sandy's run was awesome in any case.
Aug 11, 2005 10:00 PM # 
j-man:
Irina Mikhalko was also DVOA women's champion - the fastest one ever.
Aug 11, 2005 10:02 PM # 
Swampfox:
No question about it, you have to love a well tended mushroom farm. Is that guy up there above the official WOC 2005 Blue Bugler??? I was wondering if they would have one of those on site. And what is that red thing on Jon's chest anyway? It aaaaaaaalmost looks like it could be a monkey paw print!
Aug 11, 2005 10:02 PM # 
j-man:
I think confidence is one thing, and while I can't speak for either of them, what I know about Tero is that his preparation is prodigious. He reminds me of Lance, Vijay, and Tiger in that regard. Each of those guys has competitors, but they are each renown for their assidudous and specific work to get ready. Just look at some of the crazy things Tero did to get ready for this WOC.

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