Discussion: USA WOC Thread
in: Orienteering; General
Jul 6, 2013 5:19 PM
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Hi everyone!
The first WOC race is tomorrow! Tight on time and short on internet, so for now I must direct you to the blog for more information, including some videos and start times for the long distance qualification tomorrow morning.
Team USA Blog
The first WOC race is tomorrow! Tight on time and short on internet, so for now I must direct you to the blog for more information, including some videos and start times for the long distance qualification tomorrow morning.
Team USA Blog
Jul 7, 2013 5:18 AM
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The online coverage of the event is at the WOC site:
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/sp?open&cid=day7...
Apart from the women's long distance qualification, all events will have GPS tracking, including the men's long qual.
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/sp?open&cid=day7...
Apart from the women's long distance qualification, all events will have GPS tracking, including the men's long qual.
Jul 7, 2013 6:27 AM
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The GPS tracking is here and possibly requires payment of 10 euro:
http://sportsground.fi/
Am investigating ...
http://sportsground.fi/
Am investigating ...
Jul 7, 2013 6:35 AM
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Seems if you go to the above link, you can register and pay, and then you get live video coverage (after watching a couple minutes of commercials) of the finish, where at the moment nothing is going on.
After registering and paying, you can get GPS tracking here:
http://gps.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/2013wocLongQall/
(although I haven't gotten it to work yet because I don't have java installed on this dinosaur of a computer).
After registering and paying, you can get GPS tracking here:
http://gps.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/2013wocLongQall/
(although I haven't gotten it to work yet because I don't have java installed on this dinosaur of a computer).
Jul 7, 2013 6:43 AM
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The login for video at sportsground.fi isn't quite working properly. After 5 minutes the video stops, saying that my time has run out. If I log in again, I get back on, maybe for only another 5 minutes. This is being discussed in chat at http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/sp?Open&cid=chat
Jul 7, 2013 6:50 AM
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GPS tracking very cool! Ross Smith from U.S. and Sergei Longvin from Canada on the course.
Jul 7, 2013 6:51 AM
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Today's start list:
http://online.woc2013.fi/tulokset/en/2013_woc_long...
http://online.woc2013.fi/tulokset/en/2013_woc_long...
Jul 7, 2013 9:46 AM
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GPS tracking free only on Sunday because of problems with the service provider.
Jul 7, 2013 12:49 PM
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Ali in with a solid 9th. Louise 14, in Ali's heat. LaBaguette in at 12th. Neil very close with a 16th! Nick Simonin, 13th. Annabel one minute out in 17th. Catherine Taylor GBR the winner of Q2.
Jul 7, 2013 2:00 PM
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Awesome!
"You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest, wiiiiith..., a Herring!" (Ni)
"You must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest, wiiiiith..., a Herring!" (Ni)
Jul 7, 2013 2:35 PM
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Eddie, is that a little path running through the middle? A path, a path!
That guy has different coloured shoes!
Nice work Ali, and exciting times from Cat!
That guy has different coloured shoes!
Nice work Ali, and exciting times from Cat!
Jul 7, 2013 7:24 PM
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Hi everyone!
Really psyched about Ali's 9th in the qual! You can see a video of Ali takling about her race (briefly) on the blog, along with a detailed write-up from Wyatt about his race.
Tomorrow's the sprint! Here are US start times:
Alison Campbell 9:03
Alex 9:06
Ali Crocker 9:18
Brendan 9:51
Wyatt 10:09
Ross 10:17
Really psyched about Ali's 9th in the qual! You can see a video of Ali takling about her race (briefly) on the blog, along with a detailed write-up from Wyatt about his race.
Tomorrow's the sprint! Here are US start times:
Alison Campbell 9:03
Alex 9:06
Ali Crocker 9:18
Brendan 9:51
Wyatt 10:09
Ross 10:17
Jul 8, 2013 8:04 AM
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Oleg:
GPS tracking replay sprint qualification
http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/
http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/
Jul 8, 2013 10:33 AM
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Minute 35-37 of this: http://www.tulospalvelu.fi/gps/2013wocLongQ3/
has my chicken-coop route...
which is, as we'd (thankfully) browsed the day before, legal:
http://www.barebones.ca/Forbidden%20features%20201...
has my chicken-coop route...
which is, as we'd (thankfully) browsed the day before, legal:
http://www.barebones.ca/Forbidden%20features%20201...
Jul 8, 2013 10:34 AM
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Been trying out this Tweety thing, follow @CristinaAwesome for live updates, pictures, and video from WOC.
Jul 9, 2013 9:57 AM
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The splits say that Ali has a 14 min lead at 5.3 km... Ha! This isn't true, but she is doing well anyway. Go Ali!
Jul 9, 2013 10:10 AM
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They fixed it. Amélie still hasn't caught Ali, even though they were only a few seconds apart at number 6. Ali turned up the speed! Nice work!
Jul 9, 2013 10:29 AM
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It seemed to work, put her 2 seconds up on Chataing at 11, when she had been down by a minute at 10!
Jul 9, 2013 10:29 AM
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Awesome route choice to 11, first place through the arena! amazing!!
Jul 9, 2013 11:44 AM
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It looks like Ali has finished? Currently 15th. I'm afraid I don't have many spectating options on the home computers :(
Jul 9, 2013 11:46 AM
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Ali had a really awesome run and she is totally psyched! She and Emily Kemp were all smiles today!
Jul 9, 2013 11:49 AM
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What a thrill to watch all of the favorites, including Ali, Louise, and Emily on the GPS mass start. Fantastic races Ali and Emily!!! I love technology right now.
Jul 9, 2013 11:57 AM
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Top 20 - outstanding... excellent choice on the wide route to 11, Eliasson was the only other one I noted that went that way..
decent video coverage on YLE2. Showed Ali in the chute, also caught glimpses of wyatt & ndobbs in a the crowd...
decent video coverage on YLE2. Showed Ali in the chute, also caught glimpses of wyatt & ndobbs in a the crowd...
Jul 9, 2013 12:10 PM
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Looks like Nick Simonin is running well so far. At the halfway radio now.
Jul 9, 2013 1:07 PM
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Big moment - Lakanen goes left on the long leg, Bertuks straight (as is Gueorgiou). If left works as well for the men as it did for Ali this could be very significant.
Jul 9, 2013 1:19 PM
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Doesn't look like it made as much difference for the men - Lakanen and Gueorgiou only 2 seconds apart on that leg.
Jul 9, 2013 1:32 PM
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Eddie, can you not see the .gif files here?
http://www.woc2013.fi/woc/sp?Open&cid=content2C118...
http://www.woc2013.fi/woc/sp?Open&cid=content2C118...
Jul 9, 2013 1:39 PM
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Ah, yes. Thanks. Left route is about 500m longer with lots of road/track.
Jul 9, 2013 1:52 PM
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Kiril on the bubble again this year. Good results, but I'm sure he wants more.
Jul 9, 2013 2:02 PM
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After 15 or so minutes, I get errors on both the Finnish and the Swedish YLE feeds, and they are unrecoverable.
Jul 9, 2013 2:09 PM
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yle worked almost perfectly for me. a few times it crashed when i switched from full screen to window - but refresh gt it back quickly
Jul 9, 2013 2:11 PM
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one of the better Tv coverages of O I have seen.
Online results worked oK for the long final
and GPS was availalble for free
so no complaints for me
Online results worked oK for the long final
and GPS was availalble for free
so no complaints for me
Jul 10, 2013 12:58 PM
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PG:
I'm not sure what the schedule is (or maybe it hasn't been decided yet?) for WOC2014, as well as the qualifying rules, but it has been pointed out lots that this year's schedule for the first three days -- LQ, SQ and SF, and LF -- would make it hard to run both the sprint and the long.
I took a quick look at who ran both for the women. Of the 45 in the long final only 9 ran the SQ/SF the day before. All the others had a rest day.
Those that ran both and finished -- Simone Niggli (1st), Ali Crocker (18th), Gabija Ražaitytė (26th), Nataliya Dimitrova (32nd), Miek Fabré (33rd), Ursula Kadan (36th), Alicia Cobo Caballero (39th), Michela Guizzardi (44th), and Emma Klingenberg (DQ).
So it makes you wonder how much different the results would have been in either event had there been proper spacing. I have to imagine quite a lot.
And also wonder how it will affect the numbers allowed each country in 2014.
I took a quick look at who ran both for the women. Of the 45 in the long final only 9 ran the SQ/SF the day before. All the others had a rest day.
Those that ran both and finished -- Simone Niggli (1st), Ali Crocker (18th), Gabija Ražaitytė (26th), Nataliya Dimitrova (32nd), Miek Fabré (33rd), Ursula Kadan (36th), Alicia Cobo Caballero (39th), Michela Guizzardi (44th), and Emma Klingenberg (DQ).
So it makes you wonder how much different the results would have been in either event had there been proper spacing. I have to imagine quite a lot.
And also wonder how it will affect the numbers allowed each country in 2014.
Jul 11, 2013 6:30 AM
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Is the middle qual underway? Looks like the live results should be here, but nothing seems to be happening. First starts were 30 mins ago, right? Its awfully early in the morning...do I have the right day? :)
Jul 11, 2013 6:32 AM
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Lots of big mistakes for the women so far. It may be a while before any of them reach control 7.
Jul 11, 2013 6:35 AM
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Ali is running well so far. Hannah is having problems getting to 2, but should know where 3 is really well now :)
Jul 11, 2013 6:35 AM
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Jul 11, 2013 6:46 AM
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The sportsground (paid) video is working well today. Mostly just gps tracks, but there is commentary.
Jul 11, 2013 6:48 AM
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Sam just made it to the first control with no major problems. That may be all you need to make a final.
Jul 11, 2013 6:49 AM
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Oh. Maybe I should go in to the office after all. I was going to, but then I thought there would be no vid at all. I still only have this work laptop at home that can't do anything fun :)
Jul 11, 2013 6:50 AM
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Hannah had issues coming down into her 4. Looks like she may have been pulled toward the heat 2 4 instead of her own.
Jul 11, 2013 6:51 AM
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9-10 is a big downhill into the finish. Ali is on her way down now and should be in soon.
Jul 11, 2013 6:53 AM
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Sam missed 2 to the south, seems to have figured it out and is headed back north again.
Jul 11, 2013 7:07 AM
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Jul 11, 2013 7:08 AM
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Sam found 5, just made it back to 4, and is now on her way back to 5 again.
Jul 11, 2013 7:11 AM
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They are there:
http://online.woc2013.fi/tulokset/en/2013_woc_midd...
Interesting - first split is 4 to 17 minutes...
http://online.woc2013.fi/tulokset/en/2013_woc_midd...
Interesting - first split is 4 to 17 minutes...
Jul 11, 2013 7:15 AM
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Looks like the 7km intermediate split stopped working at about 9:40 AM.
Jul 11, 2013 7:18 AM
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Three more have come in just slightly ahead of Hannah - within 30s. Rats.
Jul 11, 2013 7:26 AM
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I presume Simone's mistakes were relatively small? How is she looking on the track?
Jul 11, 2013 7:31 AM
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I think Sam's in trouble unless Faron makes a mistake at the end. Heat B was the one to be in - it looks like the cut there is going to be 47 or 48, compared with 37-38 in the other two.
Jul 11, 2013 7:33 AM
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From GPS it looks like she will be in. Fanni just made it to 9, but never went to 4-5-6-7-8
Jul 11, 2013 7:49 AM
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I can only see the splits (I'm at work), so I really appreciate the GPS route updates! Thanks Ed.
Jul 11, 2013 7:51 AM
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Brendan had a mistake in the circle on 4, but was able to find it without too much wandering. Lots of errors for the men also.
Jul 11, 2013 7:51 AM
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Yeah, me too! Ali, Kempster, Annabel, Louise all officially qualified now.
Jul 11, 2013 7:53 AM
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Sam is actually 17th. The online splits don't number the ties correctly.
Jul 11, 2013 7:57 AM
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Eric just came through 5, finishing off the loop in the terrain that is giving everyone problems. Brendan is still having problems with 5, too far south.
Jul 11, 2013 8:00 AM
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So Ali has qualified for all three finals (and I assume she'll run in the relay as well). This is certainly a first for a US runner. And maybe the last :)
Jul 11, 2013 8:06 AM
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Maps:
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
http://www.woc2013.fi/ssl/woc.nsf/0/BF045E63A3EFE6...
Jul 11, 2013 8:10 AM
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Looks like we've lost the other intermediate time as well. I wonder what the failure mode is?
Jul 11, 2013 8:11 AM
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The announcers are saying there is no data coming from the woods except the GPS.
Jul 11, 2013 8:15 AM
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Eric just came through 11, now he just has the downhill run in. Brendan is having a good run after he got out of the northern loop. Boris just started.
Jul 11, 2013 8:16 AM
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A few of the late splits are appearing again. The nerds are out wiggling things :)
Jul 11, 2013 8:17 AM
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Ah, all the 2nd intermediate times have backfilled from a buffer somewhere.
Jul 11, 2013 8:20 AM
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Brendan is coming into the last control and should be finishing soon, ~47min.
Jul 11, 2013 8:23 AM
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Eep. Boris set himself goals of 25-30% back today. Eric is 23% back in his heat.
Jul 11, 2013 8:33 AM
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I like how Ross Morrison attacked it. Left of the line there is a small'ish plateau just before the veg boundary SE of the control. Then use the cliffs coming in. But the visibility must be poor.
Jul 11, 2013 8:34 AM
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The GPS has the men taking every possible route within ~50m of the line.
Jul 11, 2013 8:37 AM
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A couple of SUI have come in close to the target time, so Eric's % back has increased a little.
Jul 11, 2013 8:40 AM
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I was thinking the reentrant-veg bdy junction, then down either the L or right fork of that reentrant to come in from above or climb up over the big cliff. I'd run the serious risk of running down one of the many wrong forks in poor vis.
Jul 11, 2013 8:46 AM
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Looks like Nick may be pushed just out. Only a 5 min spread in B, 6 in A, but 10 in C.
Jul 11, 2013 8:50 AM
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But now the 2nd intermediate has stopped. Finnish Ed just said "WTF?!?"
Jul 11, 2013 12:42 PM
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@eddie
Mens C#1. East to the path, down to the big path, two lefts at the track junctions, follow the veg boundary up to the control circle, and wonder why they gave me the white course map :)
Mens C#1. East to the path, down to the big path, two lefts at the track junctions, follow the veg boundary up to the control circle, and wonder why they gave me the white course map :)
Jul 11, 2013 2:22 PM
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So Ali has qualified for all three finals (and I assume she'll run in the relay as well). This is certainly a first for a US runner. And maybe the last :)
Actually, Ali did qualify for all three finals at WOC 2011 in France. I think she wasn't quite physically prepared for racing seven races in a week, so her legs were shot going into the finals. She seems to be better conditioned now and better prepared - and paced herself better, with less all-out sprinting in finish chutes.
Actually, Ali did qualify for all three finals at WOC 2011 in France. I think she wasn't quite physically prepared for racing seven races in a week, so her legs were shot going into the finals. She seems to be better conditioned now and better prepared - and paced herself better, with less all-out sprinting in finish chutes.
Jul 11, 2013 2:34 PM
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Sorry Ian, I forgot about that! I may have even been in France at the time.
Jul 11, 2013 2:44 PM
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I was just looking at the clue descriptions on some of the middle quals. For example, women's A #2, 3, 5, 9. Others too. In the US a course could be voided for the descriptions at 2, 5 and 9.
Jul 11, 2013 2:51 PM
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On #8 they felt the need to say which knoll, but on #9 where the knolls are even closer together they did not (and how could they given the other two knolls?) I think only #8 and 10 would be legal given the way I was taught to do it.
Jul 11, 2013 4:31 PM
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eddie's right. Why would they not describe which feature? has anyone complained?
Jul 11, 2013 4:51 PM
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Perhaps for #2 it is the top of the deeper part of the re-entrant but then it flattens out. So it may be confusing to specify top-of.
Not sure what's wrong with #5
For #9 maybe again it is the eastern of the two close knolls but then there is another one further east so there is ambiguity as well.
That's just my take, of course, you may be right.
Not sure what's wrong with #5
For #9 maybe again it is the eastern of the two close knolls but then there is another one further east so there is ambiguity as well.
That's just my take, of course, you may be right.
Jul 11, 2013 5:27 PM
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feet:
I think eddie is complaining about the fact that there are multiple reentrants in the circle, but it is not specified which one the control is in (middle, eastern, western, ...).
Jul 11, 2013 5:35 PM
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The way courses are printed these days, it's possible to center the circle exactly over the control location and I think the description about exactly which feature it is (i.e. east, west, etc), is less important now than it was in the days when course printers or even hand drawn circles were used.
Just a little game I play with myself but when I look at these courses, I try to pick out what the feature at the center of the circle is and than look at the clue to see if I'm right.
Just a little game I play with myself but when I look at these courses, I try to pick out what the feature at the center of the circle is and than look at the clue to see if I'm right.
Jul 11, 2013 11:22 PM
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In the US, if it were protested and the course voided, it would not necessarily be upheld if a grievance were filed. In a quick scan, I don't see any rule that would require a symbol in column C.
I agree with Carl, column C is to eliminate ambiguity, not to create a Simon-Says-style "gotcha" for the organizers. In looking at that map, I don't have any uncertainty about which feature is intended.
I agree with Carl, column C is to eliminate ambiguity, not to create a Simon-Says-style "gotcha" for the organizers. In looking at that map, I don't have any uncertainty about which feature is intended.
Jul 12, 2013 9:17 AM
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#2 is in a re-entrant over 50m long... in low vis woods...
Coming from the west, I passed, looked up and down the re-entrant, didn't see the control, left and came back. It could be considered inappropriate.
Coming from the west, I passed, looked up and down the re-entrant, didn't see the control, left and came back. It could be considered inappropriate.
Jul 12, 2013 11:19 AM
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Middle final is underway now. Live vid on SVT:
http://www.svtplay.se/video/1330629/medeldistans-h...
Thierry just through a TV control. Looks overcast. Maybe partly sunny.
http://www.svtplay.se/video/1330629/medeldistans-h...
Thierry just through a TV control. Looks overcast. Maybe partly sunny.
Jul 12, 2013 11:40 AM
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First women's start in about 25 mins. Louise starts at 8:24:30 AM EDT, Ali starts at 8:26 EDT, and Emily Kemp at 8:39:30 EDT.
Jul 12, 2013 11:49 AM
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Lots of radio controls - the later ones not reporting regularly though. At least the video has times at the TV controls.
Jul 12, 2013 11:55 AM
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Novikov!!! j-man will be out of control! He'll have to be restrained.
Jul 12, 2013 11:58 AM
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Clem, you'll have to flip over that photo of Novikov in your living room in honor of this occasion!
Jul 12, 2013 12:01 PM
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I see the Russian team is sponsored by a Finnish compass maker this year.
Jul 12, 2013 12:03 PM
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The Live Results were solid. I was 'watching' that on my commute in this am (train). Compelling enough to have my nearest seatmates sending me sideways glances at my reactions.
The video quality at SVT, for free, from SWE, is darned good! Womens' just started broadcasting.
The video quality at SVT, for free, from SWE, is darned good! Womens' just started broadcasting.
Jul 12, 2013 12:05 PM
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Allrightttyyythen.
LETS go AL-eee *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
LETS go AL-eee *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
LETS go AL-eee *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
LETS go AL-eee *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
Jul 12, 2013 12:06 PM
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Is this Russia's second-ever Gold? On the wikipedia site, I see one in the Long in 2005 and that's it. Well-deserved to Novikov in any case, what a great finish.
..and the women's live broadcast has started - as has Jasmine Neve.
..and the women's live broadcast has started - as has Jasmine Neve.
Jul 12, 2013 12:27 PM
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LETS go AL-eee *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
LETS go AL-eee *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
LETS go AL-eee *clap clap clap-clap-clap*
Jul 12, 2013 12:32 PM
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I'll have to leave for work after Emily starts (must encourage local talent), and no TV link at work, but I'll check GPS and my productivity will be shot for a bit. :)
Jul 12, 2013 12:37 PM
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That was the best #6 I've seen so far.
Ali just lost her advantage @#4, now they're all clumped.
Ali just lost her advantage @#4, now they're all clumped.
Jul 12, 2013 12:39 PM
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Yeah, Wyder caught up with Alison, but 6-7 is where it gets decided...
Jul 12, 2013 12:41 PM
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And once again, the start controller is also all smiles as she leaves! Kempster spirit lives!
Also, the commentators mentioned how she's been studying with Thierry. If people hadn't noticed her before, THAT will make them pay attention...
Also, the commentators mentioned how she's been studying with Thierry. If people hadn't noticed her before, THAT will make them pay attention...
Jul 12, 2013 12:48 PM
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What video feed are you watching that is showing the start/woods controls? The sportsground paid video feed only has had arena cameras.
Jul 12, 2013 12:59 PM
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Clem, I think its good that you found a new Novikov. I mean, the dinosaurs are retiring, so you might as well. Plus you can say:
"Hi, I'm Clem, this is my boy Novikov, and this is my other boy Novikov."
"Hi, I'm Clem, this is my boy Novikov, and this is my other boy Novikov."
Jul 12, 2013 1:02 PM
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I like the spectator chute paralleling the finish chute (as a spectator :).
Jul 12, 2013 1:11 PM
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The SVT feed is way better! Why aren't they showing any of that on the paid feed?
Jul 12, 2013 1:19 PM
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Yes, Louise has finished. Emily is so far in excellent position after control 8, still in the top half! And after control 12, she's just ahead of Alison. Tight race, and excellent from both of them!
Jul 12, 2013 1:21 PM
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yes, I just switched to he YLE feed instead: http://areena.yle.fi/tv/1969771/#/play
Jul 12, 2013 1:29 PM
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Simone was very fast on 7, running north of the line. Just over 9 mins.
Jul 12, 2013 1:36 PM
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Simone really cooked the last loop. The remaining gals are going to have to dig deep to take any of that back.
Jul 12, 2013 1:39 PM
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Billstam - attacking from the low open field to the right on 12. Did many people take that route? It looks fast.
Jul 12, 2013 1:48 PM
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Simone's splits; It's good to be on top: http://online.woc2013.fi/tulokset/en/2013_woc_midd...
Jul 12, 2013 1:53 PM
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I almost ran a beer race with Merja at the banquet in Norway. At the old submarine base. 3-person teams, and somehow it was me, Merja and Ri (the North Korean guy - his idea). Well, we had to gather up some coin to enter. Ri had no money. I thnk I had a few crowns but not enough to cover him. We needed a third so asked Anni-Maija, but she said she doesn't drink. Merja jumped right in. The two of them had won gold in the relay earlier that day! Ri and I needed all the help we could get. But when we went to register they said we were "too late." I begged, but no joy. Funny what memories stick in your mind.
Jul 12, 2013 1:54 PM
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Bravo Emily on 26th place!! Ahead by 2 seconds. Lots of these tight results all over.
Jul 12, 2013 2:03 PM
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Yes, great fun. Will try to catch the American feed on TV tonight. They only have 8 hrs to put it together - busy, busy.
Jul 12, 2013 2:03 PM
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Now I have to go back to.. uh, make that to _start_ working. Relays tomorrow: at home, so full streaming capacity, woohoo! 7am eastern men, 9am eastern women.
Jul 12, 2013 2:07 PM
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Online results now show people one place up - Emily 25, Ali 28.
(edit) Ah, its the miscounting of ties in the live results that Ed pointed out a few days ago. There are two at 7th.
(edit) Ah, its the miscounting of ties in the live results that Ed pointed out a few days ago. There are two at 7th.
Jul 12, 2013 2:07 PM
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Re US feed, yeah, I'm going to try a different sports bar tonight. Tried last night, but the place I went to only had comcast cable.
Jul 12, 2013 2:09 PM
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My wife called around first to find out which places had USN and also about audio, etc.
Jul 12, 2013 2:14 PM
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Hugh (or anyone else)--can someone please tell me where I can watch this in the Philadelphia area? I feel deprived.
Jul 12, 2013 2:17 PM
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I have to say I was really happy with the SVT feed. The edit seemed just about right, with a good mix of everything - starters, runners in the forest, finishers, route analysis, some crowd shots, results updates. I think they showed all the starters. I never felt like asking "why aren't they showing more of X?"
Jul 12, 2013 2:19 PM
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Online?
Live Results
Live GPS
Live Video
Good coverage!
On a bigscreen at a bar? Hmm ... no idea. Maybe you can get Dish installed by this evening for TNT?
Live Results
Live GPS
Live Video
Good coverage!
On a bigscreen at a bar? Hmm ... no idea. Maybe you can get Dish installed by this evening for TNT?
Jul 12, 2013 2:21 PM
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Maybe Quotations or Sligo in Media? Plumstead Inn (oh the (vague, fuzzy) memories)!
Jul 12, 2013 2:31 PM
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AMAZING to see a GPS logger (one that I have owned for 2 years?) advertised alongside Orienteering programming during PRIME TIME FRIDAY NIGHT on a big-time TV network. Wow!
Jul 12, 2013 2:36 PM
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And I find the FiOS ad pretty ironically placed in the above USN image, since Verizon doesn't carry USN. :)
Jul 12, 2013 2:40 PM
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I went to Buffalo Wild Wings on Wednesday because a) I know they have a lot of TV's so getting my own wouldn't be an issue, and b) a Google search shows that they have DirecTV. I've been there before to watch basketball games in Seattle with friends who went to Texas A&M and SLU, so I know that they have access to a lot of channels.
I did another Google search of DirecTV bars in Wichita, and the one right behind my hotel (attached to a bowling alley) came up. I guess I did get a little lucky here in that they had channel #625; reading others above suggests that DirecTV does not automatically include that channel. I was also fortunate that they allowed me to turn on the sound.
I'm driving up to Kansas City to see family this weekend, so I don't think I'll be able to watch. But, not having to work on Saturday morning means that I should be able to do the whole online viewing experience!
I did another Google search of DirecTV bars in Wichita, and the one right behind my hotel (attached to a bowling alley) came up. I guess I did get a little lucky here in that they had channel #625; reading others above suggests that DirecTV does not automatically include that channel. I was also fortunate that they allowed me to turn on the sound.
I'm driving up to Kansas City to see family this weekend, so I don't think I'll be able to watch. But, not having to work on Saturday morning means that I should be able to do the whole online viewing experience!
Jul 12, 2013 2:50 PM
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hughmac4: you do realise that a significant portion of ads nowadays are targeted at individual users? What you, the user, are searching for and looking at online will dictate what ads you see.
Jul 12, 2013 2:58 PM
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Hah, good point Andrew. :) I think I did do a search for the Holux recently, to get the latest firmware. Still ironic for the FiOS ad though.
Jul 12, 2013 3:54 PM
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We're looking forward to returning to McGillicuddy's Irish Pub near Burlington, VT tonight to watch the Middle Final. We can get a booth with our own remote and control the sound. It was noisy last night for the Long Final, so it was a little hard to hear, but it was a real thrill to pick up 90 percent of what they were saying. For once, I appreciated the commercials because we could look at the menus and order, talk to each other about the race, and chillout briefly. We had printed the mens and women's results which were fun to refer to, and had a copy of the men's map (I forgot to print the women's), which was a bit too reduced to read very well, but it helped to be able to refer to the overall picture.
I liked that the announcers explained a bit about the mechanics of the sport, including a mention that a competitor who we saw running away from a control was indeed running in the right direction. These subtle details are nice for us and very helpful for the uninitiated to understand what makes orienteering different from a run through the woods.
Can't wait to watch the North American women on TV tonight! Look how far we've come. Thanks, Universal Sports TV! (And all the others whose passion for technology has brought our sport to the interactive level it is today.)
I liked that the announcers explained a bit about the mechanics of the sport, including a mention that a competitor who we saw running away from a control was indeed running in the right direction. These subtle details are nice for us and very helpful for the uninitiated to understand what makes orienteering different from a run through the woods.
Can't wait to watch the North American women on TV tonight! Look how far we've come. Thanks, Universal Sports TV! (And all the others whose passion for technology has brought our sport to the interactive level it is today.)
Jul 12, 2013 5:55 PM
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Relay teams
US men: Eric Bone, Boris Granovskiy, Ross Smith
US women: Alison Crocker, Samantha Saeger, Hannah Culberg
Canada men: Will Critchley, Robbie Anderson, Eric Kemp
Canada women: Emily Kemp, Louise Oram, Kerstin Burnett
Some surprises for me:
- Kyburz anchoring Merz and Hubmann
- Tove running first leg for Sweden, perhaps trying to break away from the pack?
US men: Eric Bone, Boris Granovskiy, Ross Smith
US women: Alison Crocker, Samantha Saeger, Hannah Culberg
Canada men: Will Critchley, Robbie Anderson, Eric Kemp
Canada women: Emily Kemp, Louise Oram, Kerstin Burnett
Some surprises for me:
- Kyburz anchoring Merz and Hubmann
- Tove running first leg for Sweden, perhaps trying to break away from the pack?
Jul 13, 2013 11:02 AM
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Men's Relay video
Can't find live gps on GPSSeuranta
The WOC website isn't having any valid live results for me
Can't find live gps on GPSSeuranta
The WOC website isn't having any valid live results for me
Jul 13, 2013 11:12 AM
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Well, there goes France's chances. Thierry can't really catch up on that kind of mistake...
Jul 13, 2013 11:18 AM
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Merz in the lead by a few seconds, and the top of the pack is unusual - but the big guns are part of it and may be just pacing themselves to take the lead later on.
Jul 13, 2013 11:23 AM
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Yup, Finland second now at 3.8km, Czechs still in the top pack. Saw a shot of Eric early on the first control, about 2/3 of the way down the pack.
Jul 13, 2013 11:30 AM
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End of first leg: Switzerland, Norway as a pack (+8), the rest starting at +45.
Jul 13, 2013 11:32 AM
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Ooo, TV had a very nice closeup on Boris waiting, and Robbie next to him. Nice fodder for the US stream. :)
Jul 13, 2013 11:43 AM
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Yup, didn't see the changeover for Canada. Wish we had the full map, but there's plenty of "Where is X going?" moments...
Jul 13, 2013 11:56 AM
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Ooo, NICE shot of Valentin Novikov vaulting over the small cliff to spike the 3.8km control!
Jul 13, 2013 12:00 PM
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And leg 2 ending, Ukraine in the lead?? with 15 seconds lead? Whoo, lots of surprises!
Jul 13, 2013 12:24 PM
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Yeah, Estonia had a smidgen of a chance but it's gone now. Russia-Ukraine(!)-Sweden fighting it out.
Jul 13, 2013 12:27 PM
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Annnnd Russia takes a lead, either Ukraine of Sweden made a mistake, the other followed... of such heartbreaks are relays made!
Jul 13, 2013 12:29 PM
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Thierry is taking a serious bite out of that gap... at 1.5 km he's already gained almost a minute on the leaders!!
Jul 13, 2013 12:30 PM
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Canadian...are you getting splits somewhere? i haven't been able to find any...
Jul 13, 2013 12:43 PM
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Thierry put France from 9th to 5th!! If it wasn't for the error in the first leg... This will be interesting to check leg speed!
Jul 13, 2013 12:44 PM
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Yeah, he almost gained 3 minutes on a 5 km course. Massive!
I suspect you're right about Ukraine's medal count.
I suspect you're right about Ukraine's medal count.
Jul 13, 2013 12:50 PM
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And looking at the Wikipedia site, this seems Ukraine's first-ever medal, period. And us Canadians know how they feel. :)
Jul 13, 2013 12:55 PM
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And yes, there was a brief kopter shot of the mass start. Someone will be happy. :)
Jul 13, 2013 12:56 PM
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TV switchover, so go to the bottom of the screen and restart if you lost coverage.
Jul 13, 2013 12:58 PM
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So what happens to the men still out in the field?
Also, are you disqualified if you get lapped?
Also, are you disqualified if you get lapped?
Jul 13, 2013 1:03 PM
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Niall, No disqualification for get lapped. Nothing normally happens to runners still out in the field. They get to finish just like everyone else.
Jul 13, 2013 1:06 PM
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Ah, good. I guess some like China just abandoned then. Japan is listed as "hlatty" at leg 2, not sure what that means...
Jul 13, 2013 1:07 PM
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Becks, I may be wrong, but I think only some have GPS for relay - the top 15 rated teams?
Jul 13, 2013 1:08 PM
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It's a shame because I expect both Cat and Ali to figure in this first leg - fingers crossed!
Jul 13, 2013 1:11 PM
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Argh, she made a mistake about three seconds later :( Hopefully not a big one though.
Jul 13, 2013 1:12 PM
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Ali appeared briefly and then disappeared again. She was still with leaders.
Jul 13, 2013 1:14 PM
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Can I just say, this announcer is a d**k. "If the information is right, Cat Taylor should be there." "EVEN Canada and the USA have been here." Has he bothered to research these people at all? Maybe the teams aren't expected to perform, but these runners have had fantastic relay results over the last year, and at last WOC. Grrr.
Jul 13, 2013 1:16 PM
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Live lineup is showing that it is Emma, not Tove on Leg 1. I didn't see the visual lineup, so can NOT say for sure who started 1st for Sweden...
Jul 13, 2013 1:17 PM
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Loooong kopter start shot. It showed by how much Cat and Ali were in front.
Jul 13, 2013 1:29 PM
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One SVT announcer keeps calling Cat "Christine"... and there's Ali, nice shot of "stop, check, turn, see, run for spiking".
Jul 13, 2013 1:31 PM
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Gaaaa! Alarm didn't go off? Or I slept through it. :( I missed the entire mens race. I must be 2 full nights behind on sleep at this point.
Fortunately the backup (hungry cat) worked at 9:15 :)
Aww man. So disappointed.
Fortunately the backup (hungry cat) worked at 9:15 :)
Aww man. So disappointed.
Jul 13, 2013 1:34 PM
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me too, mens race can be watched as replay with the link above. watching mens muted and the womens right now.
Jul 13, 2013 1:34 PM
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And the crowd goes wild for local girl winning leg 1.. but Cat did a fantastic run!
Jul 13, 2013 1:44 PM
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Oh (yawn) crap. (blink blink). What year is this? I think I'm watching a WOC relay live in my living room. Maybe I'm still asleep?
Jul 13, 2013 1:52 PM
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Geez. I was switching over to the big screen - everything was fuzzy. Crap crap crap :(
Jul 13, 2013 1:54 PM
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There is no live GPS today, unless they're bringing it out for the last leg.
Jul 13, 2013 1:54 PM
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I haven't found a link to GPS.
Louise is still 11th at the 1.5km control!
Louise is still 11th at the 1.5km control!
Jul 13, 2013 1:58 PM
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There's a note that "live GPS is part of the TV broadcast" today - so no traditional app broadcast...
Jul 13, 2013 2:11 PM
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Thank you Eddie, I was wondering who was that overtaking so quickly but not appearing on the results.. 1st leg finisher, but doing so in style. :)
Jul 13, 2013 2:15 PM
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I am a big fan of Klingenberg but today......cooooooommmmeeee oooonnnn Claire! Capitalise!
Jul 13, 2013 2:17 PM
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Italy juuust pulled ahead of Louise after being neck-in-neck for half the leg
Jul 13, 2013 2:21 PM
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Is there more camerawork on YLE maybe? The SVT feed is all GPS tracking of the leaders. I'd rather have cameras on the vid and my own GPS tracker on a computer so I can follow our guys.
Jul 13, 2013 2:23 PM
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I was looking at the wrong times - leg times, not change-over.. Louise is TENTH! Fantastic! Though Lithuania is 3.5 minutes ahead, and Italy 9 seconds behind.
And they just showed leg 3's traces at control 3. Looked like a bunch of drunk people, so many mistakes...
And they just showed leg 3's traces at control 3. Looked like a bunch of drunk people, so many mistakes...
Jul 13, 2013 2:24 PM
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Canadian, there's 2.5 minutes behind Kerstin/Italy, so if ... wait, no, I won't jinx it, I'll just watch. :)
Jul 13, 2013 2:26 PM
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Tooms, I may have woken up anyone in the building still sleeping at that comment...
Jul 13, 2013 2:31 PM
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:) Ok, go Hannah!! Sorry girl!
I've been sitting here for an hour and no one has come over to make me any coffee. What's up with that?
I've been sitting here for an hour and no one has come over to make me any coffee. What's up with that?
Jul 13, 2013 2:36 PM
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Is my screen that far behind? I'm just seeing Niggli correcting from a 180 on her way to 4F
Jul 13, 2013 2:45 PM
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Wonder if I'll finally learn how to read the results before the end of the race :)
Or even know who's running. Gah.
Or even know who's running. Gah.
Jul 13, 2013 2:48 PM
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For me, the posting of the radio controls results appear about a minute before the same result is shown on the svt broadcast.
Jul 13, 2013 2:52 PM
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They just ended both streams, ads on the paid service.
Just came back.
Just came back.
Jul 13, 2013 2:53 PM
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Watching from a laptop using a cell phone hotspot, sitting in a camper in a state park. At least it's 3G.
Jul 13, 2013 2:57 PM
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As the Queen of CT State parks is with us this morning, can you tell us:
Which park?
and
How nice are the toilets? :)
Which park?
and
How nice are the toilets? :)
Jul 13, 2013 3:00 PM
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Should it be worrisome that neither Ireland nor Hong Kong's 2nd leg runners have punched in yet at the 2.7km control??
Jul 13, 2013 3:10 PM
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.....go kerstin, wherever you are :) (gps trace is more lost than found for her)
Jul 13, 2013 3:10 PM
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Today there is no park, as I am now rushing to get ready to spend a day in my other job as mouse maternal "care" worker. The toilets at work are pretty grim and smell of wet rat.
Jul 13, 2013 3:10 PM
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Chenango Valley SP in NY. Toilets are about average for NY parks. Seen better, definitely seen worse. Video is above average. Rarely seen better. Frequently seen worse.
The earlier races this week had much less video compression artifacts, but I'm not sure if that's due to problems with today's broadcasts or because maybe my bandwidth isn't sufficient to allow time for full decompression. It was good enough to follow the races but not good enough to make out faces or frequently smaller text such as time back from leader.
The earlier races this week had much less video compression artifacts, but I'm not sure if that's due to problems with today's broadcasts or because maybe my bandwidth isn't sufficient to allow time for full decompression. It was good enough to follow the races but not good enough to make out faces or frequently smaller text such as time back from leader.
Jul 13, 2013 3:14 PM
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Would have been fun cheering Hannah with Germany just ahead in the chute.
Jul 13, 2013 3:15 PM
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I think the vid quality was the same as it has been (very good on SVT), so probably just your bandwidth today fossil.
Jul 13, 2013 3:18 PM
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Hey, this thread reached #1 all-time longest on Attackpoint this morning.
Jul 13, 2013 3:20 PM
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What I think is a hoot about this thread being all time longest is that it is the one titled USA WOC Thread, and not the other general WOC thread.
Jul 13, 2013 3:20 PM
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yeah, that's what i was assuming, so didn't stress about it. at least they're using the compression format that shows all blocks fuzzy at first and then fills in details later if time permits, rather than the older ones that just left holes or unupdated blocks from previous frames.
Did Kerstin's gps just die? Or is she standing still?
Did Kerstin's gps just die? Or is she standing still?
Jul 13, 2013 3:22 PM
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I'm watching the vid replay now and catching up. Very cool to see Cat Taylor up front through those first several intermediates.
Also nice seeing her and Ali at the front of the start pack heading into the woods.
Also nice seeing her and Ali at the front of the start pack heading into the woods.
Jul 13, 2013 3:22 PM
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When a thread gets longer that that crazy logo one, I get excited.
Jul 13, 2013 3:22 PM
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Oh. I see you all reported her at the finish while I was typing. My gps screen still shows her standing still near #7. At one point her dot got run over by CHN.
Jul 13, 2013 3:29 PM
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I'm hearing some vuvuzela action on the audio. Anybody know if Ross is the only one with a horn there?
Jul 13, 2013 3:29 PM
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Good for them. Keep at it girls! At least they have someone to compete with still.
Jul 13, 2013 3:32 PM
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I think its time I made some coffee. So, so very disappointed to have overslept and missed the entire men's race and the women's start. Even stayed up late updating software so the vid would work at home. Really sorry guys!
Jul 13, 2013 3:38 PM
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Don't think so, unless Japan makes a big error. ...like 15% of the runners today. ahem.
Jul 13, 2013 3:38 PM
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Fun fact: I played in the pit orchestra for a Dryden High School production of Oliver! about... hmm, maybe 13 years ago. In the trumpet section with me was... Ross Smith.
Jul 13, 2013 3:39 PM
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Japan just finally found #7 a few minutes ago, after wandering around a bit. I think Japan's got this now.
Jul 13, 2013 3:42 PM
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Oh man, Japan with a mistake to #8, but IRL and HKG aren't gaining!
Jul 13, 2013 3:44 PM
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Japan's got it, Hong Kong trending well, Ireland regroups and nails it!
Jul 13, 2013 3:48 PM
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...we're either finding excitement wheverer we can, or we really sympathise with these three because that's how we'd be doing in their place? :)
Jul 13, 2013 3:53 PM
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And Japan is done! I'm not sure the intermediary controls are being posted online anymore though.
Jul 13, 2013 3:54 PM
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Ireland doesn't have a split at 2.7km, but her track goes through there.
Jul 13, 2013 3:59 PM
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Japan didn't have a split at 3.7 or 3.9, and Spain didn't have a split at 3.9, so they may have stopped them a while ago.
Jul 13, 2013 4:06 PM
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If I'm reading this right (and I'm probably not :), IRL effectively has 10 mins on HKG at the mass-start of leg 3, so if susan can finish closer than that they'll be ahead.
Jul 13, 2013 4:09 PM
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Maybe they needed the radio controls for the banquet? I hope the finish line is still there!
Jul 13, 2013 4:13 PM
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eddie, so I wasn't mistaken in seeing a leg 3 start for ireland (I guess HK's gps was not working) - the 7:30 minutes advance would be too much for HK to overtake, yeah. We'll know in a minute or three as Ireland is on the last two controls.
Jul 13, 2013 4:17 PM
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Funny, I only have one power supply here with me, so I'm having to swap it between the two laptops every 20 mins or so. Driving the big screen over the DVI is really eating the power. Its kindof like sharing a rebreather in a diving rescue :)
Jul 13, 2013 4:25 PM
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My cell phone battery has dropped from 100% to 40% over the last 5.5 hours, despite being plugged into the laptop to keep it charging. And the laptop is plugged in to AC power and has remained fully charged. Time to logoff and go do camping stuff with live people.
Jul 13, 2013 4:26 PM
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If those woods are anything like the ones from the WOC2013 maps on Catching Features, I can understand the relay progress... and having seen the video, I think they're even thicker in parts!
Jul 13, 2013 4:51 PM
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fossil, recent laptops usually have one USB port with a higher power rating for charging. Check your hardware docs for info. More details:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/115251-how-us...
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/115251-how-us...
Jul 13, 2013 5:16 PM
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Just saw a replay of the Koptercam footage from the women's start. Yeeeeahhh!!!
Jul 13, 2013 8:41 PM
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I'm hearing some vuvuzela action on the audio. Anybody know if Ross is the only one with a horn there?
Pretty sure we had the only vuvuzela, though before Ross came in it was mostly me doing the tooting, with some solos by Brendan and Alli. :-)
Pretty sure we had the only vuvuzela, though before Ross came in it was mostly me doing the tooting, with some solos by Brendan and Alli. :-)
Jul 13, 2013 8:45 PM
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Thanks to everyone who has been following along and cheering from home! The team's been busy and focused this week, but I can assure you that they all appreciate it and love the fact that people are watching online and in sports bars (!).
The team is taking some well-deserved celebration time at the banquet now, and tomorrow we'll all spread back out over the world, ready to start training on Monday for WOC 2014.
The team is taking some well-deserved celebration time at the banquet now, and tomorrow we'll all spread back out over the world, ready to start training on Monday for WOC 2014.
This discussion thread is closed.