Discussion: 2012 Custom Orienteering Kit Suppliers
in: Orienteering; Gear & Toys
Aug 22, 2012 11:48 PM
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Let's say that your club/team is in the market for a new orienteering kit in North America. (We're talking full-custom, dye-sublimation designs here.) Which vendors are on the list of possibilities and why?
Consider:
What constitutes an ideal orienteering kit? Are there drawbacks to orienteering in cycling jerseys or standard running shirts? What jersey features and materials are desired, and who offers them?
How important are order (and re-order) minimums?
How much are the "hard core" guys willing to spend? How important is it to offer your club/team an affordable jersey option, say, no more than $40?
What about "bonus" items, like custom-designed shorts, tights, hats, jackets, singlets, whatever else?
Consider:
What constitutes an ideal orienteering kit? Are there drawbacks to orienteering in cycling jerseys or standard running shirts? What jersey features and materials are desired, and who offers them?
How important are order (and re-order) minimums?
How much are the "hard core" guys willing to spend? How important is it to offer your club/team an affordable jersey option, say, no more than $40?
What about "bonus" items, like custom-designed shorts, tights, hats, jackets, singlets, whatever else?
Aug 23, 2012 2:27 AM
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One big issue in the Midwest is the amount of burrs in fall and winter. You can't wear tights or typical orienteering pants because they pick up hundreds of hard to remove burrs. In this area, pants need to be an extremely tight weave like nylon. I like the breathability of Trimtex, etc but they just are not usable in my home area. Nylon is annoyingly hot in hot weather and unbreathing, then wet and clammy in cold weather, but I have not found a good alternative. Suggestions welcome.
Aug 23, 2012 7:53 AM
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Are there drawbacks to orienteering in cycling jerseys or standard running shirts?
IMHO not much... unless, like me, you are a sweaty, sweaty runner and prefer mesh O tops, or at least tops that have a lot of mesh. In the sun, mesh is bad because your skin gets hot through with all those evil sun rays making their way through the holes, but in the woods mesh is enough to generally keep scratchy things away and there are few evil sun rays to worry about.
@GuyO: what???
IMHO not much... unless, like me, you are a sweaty, sweaty runner and prefer mesh O tops, or at least tops that have a lot of mesh. In the sun, mesh is bad because your skin gets hot through with all those evil sun rays making their way through the holes, but in the woods mesh is enough to generally keep scratchy things away and there are few evil sun rays to worry about.
@GuyO: what???
Aug 23, 2012 12:33 PM
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Carol's Team uses Champion System both for their low minimums and the variety of apparel. You can use the same design on many different articles of clothing. And, yes, they do all the "bonus" items, too (at no extra setup charge). For orienteering, my favorite is the 3/4 length sleeve downhill/bmx jersey. Very tough fabric, light, cool, and esay to move in. The mesh side panels do tend to hold burrs, though.
@Guy: Kit = Team Uniform
@Mike: I've found the REI Safari pants to be a good bottom. They are a tough, tight, nylon, but still reasonably lightweight and cool. The pockets are often useful. So useful, that I often zip the legs off and use them for ultra runs. Outside the midwest, I wear nylon/lycra tights and switch to my cycling jersey so I still have some pockets.
@Guy: Kit = Team Uniform
@Mike: I've found the REI Safari pants to be a good bottom. They are a tough, tight, nylon, but still reasonably lightweight and cool. The pockets are often useful. So useful, that I often zip the legs off and use them for ultra runs. Outside the midwest, I wear nylon/lycra tights and switch to my cycling jersey so I still have some pockets.
Aug 23, 2012 1:17 PM
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>What constitutes an ideal orienteering kit?
The O season in s. Ontario is from late Sept to early May so black 3/4 tights with calf sleeves or compression socks from any running gear works fine. Any running shirt works fine (some catch more than others though). For warmer weather some terrain tri running shorts are OK or go with 3/4 Trimtex from O-Store.ca. A zipper on the running shirt is nice in warm weather. I've never been a fan of the mesh shirts. Bike shirts sometimes have elastic at the waist which rides up over my ever increasing gut.
Are there drawbacks to orienteering in cycling jerseys or standard running shirts?
Bike shirts sometimes have elastic at the waist which rides up over my ever increasing gut. I think it is important to get samples to try before making a big order.
What jersey features and materials are desired, and who offers them?
WIcking material and preferably doesn't snag badly. NIce to have a jersey that can also be worn during running training. I prefer short sleeve but that Champion order looks like you can make small orders on other sleeve lengths once the minimum is met.
How important are order (and re-order) minimums?
I'd say very important. A club doesn't want to get stuck with large stock.
How much are the "hard core" guys willing to spend?
$80 for tights, $120 for jacket, $60 for jersey. If it is standard running stuff it is going to get a lot of use than just in orienteering. GHO subsidized some of our jersey purchases since we splattered our web address and race and ARK logos on the jersey. Will look at sponsors next. I think we charged $45 but also gave a lot of jerseys out for volunteer appreciation. We see the jersey as advertisement for the club. Traditional mesh PJ O clothes aren't good advertisement though.
How important is it to offer your club/team an affordable jersey option, say, no more than $40?
Depends on who in the club. I'd say $50 is the break price in GHO.
What about "bonus" items, like custom-designed shorts, tights, hats, jackets, singlets, whatever else?
SInglets are nice for sprints, jackets have been a big hit as well as vests. I'd say shorts and tights look better as standard black. Toques are always a good idea for our O season being mainly winter here.
GHO went with Sugoi on our last order. We love the quality but were very disappointed by their service. We will likely not order from them again given their high minimums and way to often 'mess-ups' on the order process. GHO also hired a designer to do all the artwork and template stuff with Sugoi. This worked very well and we'll do it again when we redesign the club jersey for a Cdn. Champs debut here in Hamilton in Oct 2013.
The O season in s. Ontario is from late Sept to early May so black 3/4 tights with calf sleeves or compression socks from any running gear works fine. Any running shirt works fine (some catch more than others though). For warmer weather some terrain tri running shorts are OK or go with 3/4 Trimtex from O-Store.ca. A zipper on the running shirt is nice in warm weather. I've never been a fan of the mesh shirts. Bike shirts sometimes have elastic at the waist which rides up over my ever increasing gut.
Are there drawbacks to orienteering in cycling jerseys or standard running shirts?
Bike shirts sometimes have elastic at the waist which rides up over my ever increasing gut. I think it is important to get samples to try before making a big order.
What jersey features and materials are desired, and who offers them?
WIcking material and preferably doesn't snag badly. NIce to have a jersey that can also be worn during running training. I prefer short sleeve but that Champion order looks like you can make small orders on other sleeve lengths once the minimum is met.
How important are order (and re-order) minimums?
I'd say very important. A club doesn't want to get stuck with large stock.
How much are the "hard core" guys willing to spend?
$80 for tights, $120 for jacket, $60 for jersey. If it is standard running stuff it is going to get a lot of use than just in orienteering. GHO subsidized some of our jersey purchases since we splattered our web address and race and ARK logos on the jersey. Will look at sponsors next. I think we charged $45 but also gave a lot of jerseys out for volunteer appreciation. We see the jersey as advertisement for the club. Traditional mesh PJ O clothes aren't good advertisement though.
How important is it to offer your club/team an affordable jersey option, say, no more than $40?
Depends on who in the club. I'd say $50 is the break price in GHO.
What about "bonus" items, like custom-designed shorts, tights, hats, jackets, singlets, whatever else?
SInglets are nice for sprints, jackets have been a big hit as well as vests. I'd say shorts and tights look better as standard black. Toques are always a good idea for our O season being mainly winter here.
GHO went with Sugoi on our last order. We love the quality but were very disappointed by their service. We will likely not order from them again given their high minimums and way to often 'mess-ups' on the order process. GHO also hired a designer to do all the artwork and template stuff with Sugoi. This worked very well and we'll do it again when we redesign the club jersey for a Cdn. Champs debut here in Hamilton in Oct 2013.
Aug 23, 2012 2:28 PM
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We see the jersey as advertisement for the club. Traditional mesh PJ O clothes aren't good advertisement though. +1 (although some more recent mesh have full laser dye sublimation (what?) going on, and look fine).
Aug 25, 2012 2:38 AM
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Thanks for the responses. I had done a lot of research on my own, it's nice to see a few suppliers that made my short list mentioned in this thread (Champion System and Sugoi).
So here's my situation. CascadeOC is looking to dump Siven as our supplier, and I'm investigating options. Siven was great at several things: the sublimation printing was excellent, they were able to get us orienteering-specific tops (hidden 7" front zippers, a zippered pocket on the back, breathable mesh panels on the side), and they tailored women's sizes, too. And the prices were great. We sold them for $40 apiece, and because of the low price, we sold a lot of them (120+ in 2010-11).
But, jeez, communicating with them was like talking into a black hole, and they had problems with delivering the product on time and effectively. For example, for one of the shipments, I recieved a phone call from the local FedEx office because they received a box sent only to Seattle, WA, with a contact of a "Mr. Pat Rick" and my phone number...
Anyway, our 2012 order never arrived (we wanted it before IS/IC Champs), so we canceled it, and we're looking for something else.
I've also been involved with jersey orders for OKansas. There was a 2008 order with AxisGear and one in 2011 with PodiumWear.
The preferences between OKansas and CascadeOC are pretty different, though. OKansas is a much, much smaller club, but the club members are more likely to spend more on a jersey. Low minimums and high quality are big here. CascadeOC is a big club with a lot of recreational runners and kids. Being able to offer low prices is a big deal here.
So, after doing some online research, here's my short list for a future CascadeOC order: Champion System, Sugoi, o21e, and PodiumWear. The major Euro suppliers are just too expensive, as is AxisGear.
Here's what I like and don't like about these guys, on paper.
Champion System:
Pro: Multiple styles available (t-shirts, jerseys, long sleeves, singlets). Tons of bonus items available with a minimum of 1 (like custom shorts, tights and jackets), under-$40 t-shirt option, under-$50 jersey option. Best reordering scenario (10 items, mix and match whatever items you want).
Con: There's no "perfect" jersey. The standard bike jerseys don't come with mesh side panels and the men's cut has an elastic waist. The best running shirt has mesh side panels but no chest zipper or back pockets.
PodiumWear:
Pro: Lowest ordering (5) and re-ordering (1) minimums. They offer an orienteering-specific top.
Con: O' top in unisex only. More expensive long sleeve and bonus items. Print quality (they left off a color on one of the logos on the OKansas jerseys)
Sugoi:
Pro: Best price on full-custom basic running shirts ($35). Best price on singlets.
Con: Doesn't offer a "perfect" jersey style. No custom pants. Higher prices on jackets. Highest minimums (12). Shortest re-order window (6 months).
o21e:
Pro: O-specific top, with options in cut (men's & women's) material (tech & mesh) and sleeve length (short & long). Orienteering pants available.
Con: Non-hidden zipper (would partially obstruct the CascadeOC design). No entry-level priced options (sub-$40). No sublimated jackets, pants, or tights.
So here's my situation. CascadeOC is looking to dump Siven as our supplier, and I'm investigating options. Siven was great at several things: the sublimation printing was excellent, they were able to get us orienteering-specific tops (hidden 7" front zippers, a zippered pocket on the back, breathable mesh panels on the side), and they tailored women's sizes, too. And the prices were great. We sold them for $40 apiece, and because of the low price, we sold a lot of them (120+ in 2010-11).
But, jeez, communicating with them was like talking into a black hole, and they had problems with delivering the product on time and effectively. For example, for one of the shipments, I recieved a phone call from the local FedEx office because they received a box sent only to Seattle, WA, with a contact of a "Mr. Pat Rick" and my phone number...
Anyway, our 2012 order never arrived (we wanted it before IS/IC Champs), so we canceled it, and we're looking for something else.
I've also been involved with jersey orders for OKansas. There was a 2008 order with AxisGear and one in 2011 with PodiumWear.
The preferences between OKansas and CascadeOC are pretty different, though. OKansas is a much, much smaller club, but the club members are more likely to spend more on a jersey. Low minimums and high quality are big here. CascadeOC is a big club with a lot of recreational runners and kids. Being able to offer low prices is a big deal here.
So, after doing some online research, here's my short list for a future CascadeOC order: Champion System, Sugoi, o21e, and PodiumWear. The major Euro suppliers are just too expensive, as is AxisGear.
Here's what I like and don't like about these guys, on paper.
Champion System:
Pro: Multiple styles available (t-shirts, jerseys, long sleeves, singlets). Tons of bonus items available with a minimum of 1 (like custom shorts, tights and jackets), under-$40 t-shirt option, under-$50 jersey option. Best reordering scenario (10 items, mix and match whatever items you want).
Con: There's no "perfect" jersey. The standard bike jerseys don't come with mesh side panels and the men's cut has an elastic waist. The best running shirt has mesh side panels but no chest zipper or back pockets.
PodiumWear:
Pro: Lowest ordering (5) and re-ordering (1) minimums. They offer an orienteering-specific top.
Con: O' top in unisex only. More expensive long sleeve and bonus items. Print quality (they left off a color on one of the logos on the OKansas jerseys)
Sugoi:
Pro: Best price on full-custom basic running shirts ($35). Best price on singlets.
Con: Doesn't offer a "perfect" jersey style. No custom pants. Higher prices on jackets. Highest minimums (12). Shortest re-order window (6 months).
o21e:
Pro: O-specific top, with options in cut (men's & women's) material (tech & mesh) and sleeve length (short & long). Orienteering pants available.
Con: Non-hidden zipper (would partially obstruct the CascadeOC design). No entry-level priced options (sub-$40). No sublimated jackets, pants, or tights.
Aug 25, 2012 2:30 PM
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AliS:
GVOC went with Sugoi for our shirts. The minimum order for custom wear is 24 units. They were really helpful and took our basic sketch of an idea for the design and made it look pretty for no extra charge.
With communication it depends who you get. The girl we first dealt with got promoted, as she was awesome! Second guy, not so good. We always got what we wanted with little problems though.
24 unit minimum means we've never been able to order jackets though (at $120ish each inc. tax it's too expensive for most). We sell our shirts for $40 and always sell out. I can look up the type of shirts we have if you're interested Pink Socks. They wear really well. I've had mine for 3 years now and it still looks awesome.
With communication it depends who you get. The girl we first dealt with got promoted, as she was awesome! Second guy, not so good. We always got what we wanted with little problems though.
24 unit minimum means we've never been able to order jackets though (at $120ish each inc. tax it's too expensive for most). We sell our shirts for $40 and always sell out. I can look up the type of shirts we have if you're interested Pink Socks. They wear really well. I've had mine for 3 years now and it still looks awesome.
Aug 25, 2012 11:51 PM
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Does GVOC have zipper on shirts? many in GHO have complained about tight fitting on the neck. agree that quality is good but service was crap.
they messed up our order and forced us to buy the extras the accidentally made AND got colour wrong on a third of first order.
they messed up our order and forced us to buy the extras the accidentally made AND got colour wrong on a third of first order.
Aug 26, 2012 12:10 AM
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From what I've seen, GVOC runs in the Turbo tee from Sugoi, which is available in men's and women's, with long and short sleeves available. This style does not have a zipper. (Sugoi made my short list because I knew that GVOC was happy with them.)
One other note about Champion System. The women's bike jerseys do not have the elastic waist, just the men's. So basically, they are just a men's jersey away from being perfect. One CascadeOC member also runs for a club in Hong Kong that runs in CS bike jerseys. Also, a brand new CascadeOC member was asking about getting a club jersey today, and I found out that his college cycling team went with CS, and he was happy with them.
Another potential option would be to go through two suppliers. o21e for the jersey-style, say, and then CS for all of the other stuff (simple running shirts, and full-custom shorts, tights, jackets, singlets, hats, socks, etc.). Heck, I've accrued so many volunteer points that I could probably place an entire order of CS gear for myself.
One other note about Champion System. The women's bike jerseys do not have the elastic waist, just the men's. So basically, they are just a men's jersey away from being perfect. One CascadeOC member also runs for a club in Hong Kong that runs in CS bike jerseys. Also, a brand new CascadeOC member was asking about getting a club jersey today, and I found out that his college cycling team went with CS, and he was happy with them.
Another potential option would be to go through two suppliers. o21e for the jersey-style, say, and then CS for all of the other stuff (simple running shirts, and full-custom shorts, tights, jackets, singlets, hats, socks, etc.). Heck, I've accrued so many volunteer points that I could probably place an entire order of CS gear for myself.
Aug 26, 2012 12:27 PM
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CSU went with Podiumwear for our last order. They miss out on a lot of the options you've listed - we were unable to convince them to develop anything new, basically we ended up with a bike shirt, no elastic, no pockets, and chose against the zipper, as their only zipper option was 3/4 length, so basically to your bellybutton. But, the customer service was great, and the guy who runs the company knows what orienteering is, as he was friends with Carl Fey back at Bates.
The design looks great, but the material is thick for summer o', it's a bike shirt. They had men's and women's cuts, and I'm very happy with my women's fit. The material does pill, sometimes badly depending on the type of vegetation, and it also stinks after one wear. Which wouldn't be a problem, except that orienteers rarely wash their shirts every single time they wear them.
The re-order situation is awesome - you can do reorders as small as 1. I believe the cost of the shirts was $45, with a minimum order of 25 for that pricing scheme. I think it was $55 for <25 orders.
They do spandex as well, and will do full-color custom sublimation. They started as a ski suit company, so they've got the spandex thing down. I've used a pair of their tights to sample in the woods, and like any spandex, they get holes eventually.
The design looks great, but the material is thick for summer o', it's a bike shirt. They had men's and women's cuts, and I'm very happy with my women's fit. The material does pill, sometimes badly depending on the type of vegetation, and it also stinks after one wear. Which wouldn't be a problem, except that orienteers rarely wash their shirts every single time they wear them.
The re-order situation is awesome - you can do reorders as small as 1. I believe the cost of the shirts was $45, with a minimum order of 25 for that pricing scheme. I think it was $55 for <25 orders.
They do spandex as well, and will do full-color custom sublimation. They started as a ski suit company, so they've got the spandex thing down. I've used a pair of their tights to sample in the woods, and like any spandex, they get holes eventually.
Aug 26, 2012 2:28 PM
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I have to say I wasn't very impressed with my o21e kit this summer in spain. I was glad I got the unisex top as the women's cut looks silly with how it basically comes out to two points at your hips and was told it then catches on things. However, I ordered an xs and it still felt huge on me! I know I'm small, but I'm also not one for a super tight top so unless they are going to offer kids sizes (I don't know if they do) it might not be the best option if there are a lot of young kids.
Their pants also very easily ripped. I got two holes in mine on the first course out in them. And spain wasn't terribly thick vegetation, however prickly. Also it is just elastic around the waste which I found annoying as no way to pull it tighter (one thing i like about trimtex and craft!). Because you can't pull it tighter and the pocket is in the font it feels like your pants might pull down once you put gel in them.
Pros: was GREAT in warm weather! The colors of the design were great!
I have to say my two favorite o-kit companies are Trimtex and Craft. I know trimtex costs a lot but the kit works, has everything you want and I have had all my kit last at lest 4 years so far and they still look good. Craft I think is a bit cheaper, haven't bought anything from them recently, but LOVE my 3/4 tights from them and the pockets just above your butt.
Their pants also very easily ripped. I got two holes in mine on the first course out in them. And spain wasn't terribly thick vegetation, however prickly. Also it is just elastic around the waste which I found annoying as no way to pull it tighter (one thing i like about trimtex and craft!). Because you can't pull it tighter and the pocket is in the font it feels like your pants might pull down once you put gel in them.
Pros: was GREAT in warm weather! The colors of the design were great!
I have to say my two favorite o-kit companies are Trimtex and Craft. I know trimtex costs a lot but the kit works, has everything you want and I have had all my kit last at lest 4 years so far and they still look good. Craft I think is a bit cheaper, haven't bought anything from them recently, but LOVE my 3/4 tights from them and the pockets just above your butt.
Aug 26, 2012 3:43 PM
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AliS:
Pink Socks is observant. GVOC has the Turbo t.
Sucks you had such a bad experience Hammer. I guess just ordering men's and women's t-shirts is hard to screw up :-)
Sucks you had such a bad experience Hammer. I guess just ordering men's and women's t-shirts is hard to screw up :-)
Aug 26, 2012 5:26 PM
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GuyO:
Orienteering "kit" = compass, SI-card, whistle, control description holder.
Aug 27, 2012 4:35 AM
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There's this fun thing called a dictionary!
kit
noun /kit/
kits, plural
The clothing and other items belonging to a soldier or used in an activity such as a sport
- boys in football kit
kit
noun /kit/
kits, plural
The clothing and other items belonging to a soldier or used in an activity such as a sport
- boys in football kit
Aug 27, 2012 10:36 PM
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"Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag and smile, smile, smile..."
Aug 28, 2012 2:36 AM
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GuyO:
@Cristina: Is that the first definition given for "kit" in the dictionary? In mine the closest to it was 3rd: "one's effects or outfit, especially for traveling" I guess my dictionary is not as much fun as yours... :-\
@jj: 4th: "box, bag, knapsack or other container"
Anyway, my puzzlement is due to this being the first time I have ever seen the word "kit" applied to clothing.
@jj: 4th: "box, bag, knapsack or other container"
Anyway, my puzzlement is due to this being the first time I have ever seen the word "kit" applied to clothing.
Aug 28, 2012 2:53 AM
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Have to admit to having had the same reaction as Guy. When I saw the title of this discussion, the first thing that came to my mind was a collection of items normally used in orienteering -- like compass, whistle, e-punch stick, etc.
Aug 28, 2012 3:28 AM
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You people obviously don't converse enough with orienteers from places like England. The usage in the original post is quite common, albeit a bit twee coming from an American.
Aug 28, 2012 4:45 AM
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It is wise that people are using the pros and cons method for looking at suppliers as I don't think there's a perfect solution out there. It would be nice if North American clubs look for a North American supplier, or else a Euro one with some interest in expanding their focus on this side of the Atlantic.
I have heard amazing things about dealing with Podiumwear from ski friends, as acjopse mentions. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of this for an O club, especially when re-ordering.
Pink Socks: does your theoretical club have any connections with a local running store? The brands they carry could influence your choice. That is if you have any interest wearing off the shelf clothing like the unwashed masses.
I have heard amazing things about dealing with Podiumwear from ski friends, as acjopse mentions. I wouldn't underestimate the importance of this for an O club, especially when re-ordering.
Pink Socks: does your theoretical club have any connections with a local running store? The brands they carry could influence your choice. That is if you have any interest wearing off the shelf clothing like the unwashed masses.
Aug 28, 2012 8:32 AM
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I guess my dictionary is not as much fun as yours... :-\
That's definitely it. My dictionary is a lot of fun, because it is flexible enough to allow additions and modifications when it turns out the world doesn't revolve around my understanding of things.
That's definitely it. My dictionary is a lot of fun, because it is flexible enough to allow additions and modifications when it turns out the world doesn't revolve around my understanding of things.
Aug 28, 2012 10:02 AM
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Americans use kit a bit for cycling outfits, usually of the form, "someone in full kit {did something stupid or obnoxious ; got passed by someone not in full kit on a lesser bike for the venue}."
Aug 28, 2012 2:27 PM
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gail:
The stink of the Podiumwear shirts is a real negative for me. I really like the design, but more often choose to travel with other O tops.
Aug 28, 2012 5:37 PM
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Jeez, I can't believe [wait, this is AP, yes I can] you guys would argue over a word. It's the correct word. It's used in cycling. Whatever.
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@ajospe: OKansas went through PodiumWear right after CSU did, and we were able to get unisex "orienteering" tops, which was basically like a modified bike jersey. Orienteering tops are listed on their website.
@hammer: Do you have a pic of your new duds? (This is really irrelevant to the discussion, but I'm curious to see what they look like.)
@Nev-Monster: That's a really good question. In CascadeOC's situation, we have a connection with Road Runner Sports, but to my knowledge, they aren't into customized/sublimated stuff. I know that the Seattle Running Club is getting new shirts and jackets, and I *think* that they are going through Sugoi. (Basically, the largest running club in the city isn't partnering with a local running store...)
Speaking of local, since my last post, I did find Atac Sportswear, which is in Blaine, WA (it's at the USA/Canada border). They don't have a published price list, but they could be willing to work with customized requirements for orienteering jerseys, since they offer clothing other small sports, like dragonboating, for example.
I'll see what I can find.
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@ajospe: OKansas went through PodiumWear right after CSU did, and we were able to get unisex "orienteering" tops, which was basically like a modified bike jersey. Orienteering tops are listed on their website.
@hammer: Do you have a pic of your new duds? (This is really irrelevant to the discussion, but I'm curious to see what they look like.)
@Nev-Monster: That's a really good question. In CascadeOC's situation, we have a connection with Road Runner Sports, but to my knowledge, they aren't into customized/sublimated stuff. I know that the Seattle Running Club is getting new shirts and jackets, and I *think* that they are going through Sugoi. (Basically, the largest running club in the city isn't partnering with a local running store...)
Speaking of local, since my last post, I did find Atac Sportswear, which is in Blaine, WA (it's at the USA/Canada border). They don't have a published price list, but they could be willing to work with customized requirements for orienteering jerseys, since they offer clothing other small sports, like dragonboating, for example.
I'll see what I can find.
Aug 28, 2012 6:53 PM
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I never noticed the podiumwear stink. I guess I am just sweet-smelling.
Aug 28, 2012 8:32 PM
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The stink would be related to the fabric, not the graphics printing or garment manufacturing. So perhaps someone should suggest to PodiumWear to use another fabric is smell is an issue.
Aug 28, 2012 9:44 PM
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I tried o21e pants this weekend and I am not done de-burring them yet.
Aug 30, 2012 6:54 PM
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I am not done de-burring them yet
I guess there are regional considerations to be made. Burrs aren't a big problem in the PNW, which is where most of our stuff gets worn.
I guess there are regional considerations to be made. Burrs aren't a big problem in the PNW, which is where most of our stuff gets worn.
This discussion thread is closed.