Discussion: Orienteering on YouTube

Maybe I am behind the time so don't laugh at me too hard. I last month or so I discovered YouTube.com and watched some music videos and stand-up comedy clips. I was wondering if anyone is aware of any orienteering posts on YouTube.

That's an awesome example. The video explores terrain and vegetation that many of us have never experienced. Soundtrack fit well.

Were many photographers needed or was this done in a non-race setting?

May just time to get to Orange on January 3 for more of that terrain.

Done in a non-race setting, Rob Fell on Camera.

on you tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1hQHSXMMs
on google video
http://video.google.it/videosearch?q=skodeg-o

Here is the link to 2 Ski OL video's in preparation for the SKI Jwoc 2007!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI7I1Gblh4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBOokaLLBeU

and for those of you who can speak german, here are some very funny OL videos from ASKÖ Henndorf in Austria (about 7 or 8)

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=rolfrenz

Unfortunately only German, but believe me they are very funny! Enjoy

Sorry about the video quality on the first listed video. Rob uses a credit card sized digital camera for these. When we bought the camera we didn't anticipate him using it for video productions.
This video was shot at Melville Caves/Kooyoora State Park. It was the venue for the World Champs in 1985? and the World Masters in 2002.

You might try "The Hard man Challenge" linked from Fell's AP log. The log contains the map snippets. This is fairly typical Australian granite terrain although the vegetation varies significantly across the country. The rocks are not as big or as populous as at Melville Caves.
http://www.attackpoint.org/viewlog.jsp/user_1568/p...

I was just wondering how much modern day media can be used to advertise orienteering in NA. (I don't mean to imply that modern day media shall not be used to advertise orienteering outside of NA however my observation is that popularity of orienteering is more as an issue in NA compared to rest of the world). First thing what comes to my mind is MySpace.com and YouTube.com. Both sites allow you to post for free. Both sites are attractive to young people. There are persons/businesses/entrepreneurs who have realized power of new media. Matisyahu is not mainstream name however he has 300.000+ "friends" on MySpace.com. Matisyahu posts his concert schedule on MySpace.com and from what I can tell he is sold out everywhere he goes.


I am just throwing this idea out for everyone to think about because I don't have a good idea what can we done. One thing is for sure - MySpace.com and YouTube are free and they seems to be popular.com sites.

Yeah, new media... Hmm, maybe we should hire a spammer to put the message out. They seem to have pretty good market penetration. ;-)

One of them has even recently begun spamming a long list of orienteer addresses taken from the old O-net!

hi!!!!

sorry about the late reply.
here are the videos I have currently put up on the web.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rglcl_rx3xQ
"the hardman challenge"
granite terrain at 'the you yangs' not much actual race footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1WG_du-7i4
"Route choice challenge"
Canadian Forest. The video doesn't actually match the map. In fact it's a completely different map.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGFZvrFvHQg
"Terrain Run"
This one was whipped up quickly for the same reasons as Melville Caves video (see below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK2lWbyHrSA
re. Melville Caves video.
We filmed that with one camera and it was all staged. We wanted to make a good granite video for Runo (Rune Olsen) as he wanted an example of australian granite terrain to pass on to the Danish JWOC squad.

I believe the french group "ch'tis riders" have a huge amount of media on the web, you'll have to look them up.

"the waterstop" also has a bit of an archive to checkout: http://www.thewaterstop.org

-rob

cool video interesting to c the granite terrain that the jwoc 2007 will be held in it looks really cool and technical in parts it is a pitty it looks like i will not be attending this year.

an interesting way to advertise!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kwrDiy6ueQ

Here's another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0odvqf9Qvoc

Very cool having "Friend of the Devil" for the music at the beginning and end (right, Eric?). And it was nice to see Graeme Wilson again -- I wondered where he'd gotten off to.

Yep, that music credit is right.

Well, JJ got my attention, and kept me up well past my bedtime, but it was worth the eternal download on my phone line. Got to see a number of unexpected, but familiar names and faces (Graeme W, Karan Keith, Eric Tullis). Also got to see the Ransburg Scout Res. terrain, which was the pivotal map brought to my attention years ago, which lead mappers Alexey Zuev and Vladimir Zherdev to DVOA land, for which we are very "grateful", which gets me back to the music. I think this upbeat plinky version of "Friend of the Devil" fits this video better than its own lyrics. The slower, darker version better suits this tale of desperation.

I previously viewed the Melville Caves video, a great thrill to return to this fantastic 85 WOC terrain. Men's controls 1, 4, 5, and women's 2 & 3 were within ~250m of this video, which I think has very good image/ promotional value, although simply hanging some real orange & white controls would improve it. (or am I blind?)

Well, I thought the video that "distracted" linked, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kwrDiy6ueQ
was pretty cool so I emailed the link to my son who is pretty cool himself. He emailed back that this was a great video in that it combined his three favorite things: orienteering, parkour, and music from "Pirates of the Caribbean." Not being cool myself I had no idea what "parkour" was so I looked it up in Wikipedia. Amazing.

When I posted my previous question on how to utilize modern day media to advertise or to inform about orienteering this is what I meant...

Over the years I have been asked "What is orienteering?" by different poeple. Some of them checked out the Rochester Orienteering Club website and some other club websites and still had the same question - "What is orienteering?". I cannot say that I checked out websites of all of the clubs from NA. However not so many O-club websites would offer a good explanation of "What is orienteering".

Beauty of the YouTube is that you don't have to post link to the YouTube - you can embed videos from YouTube on your website. I will talk to folks at the Rochester Orienteering Club and ask them to add a new link to our website "What is Orienteering" and under the link embed YouTube video (or videos) like this.



I think this is the best explanation of what is orienteering for NA audience.

For similar reasons, I asked Frank Skorina yesterday if USOF has ever considered posting the O.MOV video to a video-sharing site.

I don't think such a move would impact video sales that much, but it would give those of us on the promotional front lines a new strategic way to use the video for outreach.

Just this week, I was contacted by an AF-JROTC instructor from a high school in a far-away part of the state. In a case like this, it is impractical to schedule an in-person viewing of any of the videos that I own, but I'd love for this instructor to be able to see O.MOV. It emphasizes two things that our own club video does not: High-school-aged youth, and running competition.

Being able to point her to that video might get her excited enough to commit to putting a team together and start coming to meets, and then who knows? Kentuckiana HS Champs? US Interscholastics?

I'm in a state with almost no organized high-school orienteering involvement, so I'm looking for any way to make the outreach easier and more effective. O.MOV is a great video, but it only works if people SEE IT.

Videos from YLE's archives (Finland´s national public service broadcasting company)

WOC 1966:
http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?id=40203

WOC 1979, Women's relay:
http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?id=40214
http://www.yle.fi/player/player.jsp?id=40224

Not YouTube, but O videos anyway. I hope these links will work.

The USOF website does have at least a preview of the O.MOV video, linked from the Media page (click on USOF video at the top of the page to get the link). It links to the following page set up by Frank Skorina:

http://www.skorina.com/O.MOV/

It should probably be linked from the Home page. Thanks for bringing it up; I never thought of that possibility.

Odyssey Photography has uploaded the Raid the Hammer slide show to TouTube. Click on 'more from this user' for some great adventure racing videos (from World Champs to local Canadian races).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frqm8Cv2pMs

Outstanding! Thanks Frank (for posting O.MOV). That's going to be a big help!

Stumbled on this JWOC 2006 vid... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzn2W6N7cwI

A vid from a city centre event held last weekend in the UK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9JUyul6fGU

Hi all,
maybe you've already seen the videos of Hanny Allston:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czfMB-XAlgY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Caj9lJjyf4

Off topic a little, but I saw an orienteering segment on Curious George this morning. I didn't see the whole clip, but they kids actually had O maps (I think) and they were racing to the finish.

The boy who was featured in the Curious George segment is Stephen Koehler, and the girl who explains about the compass is Grace Bailey, both of UNO. The other kids who are following along are not experienced orienteers. The woman at the finish is Deb Humiston, Grace's mother. (There are two different versions of the program, with different edits of the live-action segment, and so far I've seen only the shorter one.)

The orienteeering episode will be next shown on Thursday, January 25. I was going to post a note about this show the night before it first aired, but that was when AttackPoint appeared to be having a hiccup due to the number of discussion posts having reached the magic number 65536.

Excellent. I didn't see enough of it to catch any of that. My son (3) was watching and he started yelling about orienteering being on television, so I hurried in but only saw the last few seconds.

Another PBS series, "Dragonfly TV" has an episode where a team with a GPS receiver is pitted against a team with a map and compass and have to navigate from point to point. Guess who wins. Link here. Too bad they screwed up the definition of orienteering on the website.

Very nice, but there has to be a better word than 'dibber' that Brits can use to call their SI-cards!

I always thought it was "dibbler", with an 'l'...

Whatever the word should be, that video was quite good, I would certainly use that to show newbies how it works.

It's a horrible word - what's wrong with just using "SI card"?...

Start doing that. Maybe if all of OUOC does it, it'll slowly catch on!

"SI card" is three syllables. Too long.

d***** is a banned word in studentland - on nopesport it gets altered dare you type it in! it's the influence of the older generation I'm afraid...

So Captain Bellini, (yeah, Barbie is back!), the Dip Stick that the Americans use is better than the Dibber?
But the movie, that's very good, that's very very good, that's for sure.

Well, in Cap'n B's opinion, dip stick is definitely at least as bad as dibber. But since they are both only two syllables they are both better than "SI Card", unless you pronounce "SI" as "sigh", in which case they are all equally horrendous. (I still prefer 'dibbler' with an 'l', but I'm a dork.)

I like "dipstick", although I'll note that I also use that word to refer to USB flash drives. I think "SI card" is confusing because there's nothing card-like about it. (But then again, floppy disks are square and rigid, compact disks are bigger, there's nothing being drven in a flash drive, etc.) "e-punch" is sometimes also used, though there's some ambiguity about which device that refers to, the one you carry or the one at the control.

You could call it your S-I. That would only be 2 syllables... although some people might think you were referring to your SI joint... that could be ugly when you say you have to clear your SI...

I don't know what my SI joint is, but I still laughed out loud.

Now that J-J has mentioned it, I guess I've often used "e-punch", but it is a little obfuscatory. How about "e-stick"? Two syllables, doesn't start with "dib", and it's Captain Bellini approved.

E-stick...hum...how phallic...scary, really.

I thought the proper name was "e-card" for the dibbers and "e-controls" for the electronic boxes, but I may be wrong. It looks like sportident now calls them SI-Cards and SI-Controls.

I know several people who call the e-cards "bricks". Certainly the boxes look more like bricks, but I figured it was referring to the block of silicon in the semiconductor. Specious, I know.

I have to admit that I don't like "dibber" because it sounds British or something. I don't register "dibber" as dirty, but now that you mention it...

"E-card" only makes sense if you make the analogy to punchcards, that just makes one more boring thing to have to explain to new people at events.

I don't like "brick" because it isn't descriptive, but it's what I usually end up calling it when I'm among orienteers.

I think "brick" is a carryover from EMIT, where the thing you carry is somewhat more bricklike/cardlike than with SI.

The Brick is indeed the EMIT, 'cause let's face it, compared to a SI unit, it looks like a brick! When they first came out, there was the Brick and then came the Stick. God only knows how the Stick became the Dibber... but luckily, the Brick is still the Brick and not the Platter or something very British like that ;-)

When the brick came out, there wasn't a stick. Perhaps the name came from the Swedish "bricka", meaning "plate", maybe it even translates to "platter":-))

The top hit on Google sez: "The dibber is a garden tool, also known as a dibble or dibbler." I recall a Brit explaining that when I first heard the word; apparently the SI card reminded someone of a dibber.

on nopesport it gets altered dare you type it in

That's a riot! I'm seeing visions of words throughout a post getting substituted with PC alternatives...how Big Brotherish! Though probably what is meant is that asterisks are substituted I guess. Almost makes me want to sign up and try it out...though I'd probably get banned for using "bag" or "boom" or "bingo" too much. Is anyone as daring as "jock-stuffer"?

on nopesport it is more likely to get replaced with something distinctly un-PC. It seems one of Nopesports key aims is to de-nerd the sport as much as possible, hence the aversion to dibbers and also to running gear that looks like pajamas.

dipstick (plural dipsticks)

1. a stick or rod used to measure the depth of a liquid. Often used to check the level at which a liquid in an invisible tank stands; gauge.

I haven't checked the oil level of my car's motor since I lost the dipstick three months ago.

2. the penis
3. (slang) a useless person
4. (British slang) a person of inferior intellect or, more accurately, some who makes an action that would imply this

That referee is a right dipstick.

childhood memories... haven't heard that word in a long while... thanks :)

I know several people who call the e-cards "bricks". Certainly the boxes look more like bricks...

I agree with jjcote and gruver above.
Brick as in the Swedish word "bricka" (usually: tray, platter - when it comes to food; but could also be used as 'card' as in the Swedish "ID-bricka"...) would have been originally used for EMIT. [The English word 'brick' is something totally different, but is sometimes used in a negative way by people who don´t like EMIT since they think the EMIT-card is too big to carry :) ]
For SI we usually say "pinne" which is the Swedish word for 'stick'.

In Finland SI is usually called "Sport Ident" or just "Ident". There hasn't yet been need to shorten it. It is so rarely used, you like to spend time to say it to make sure everyone understands it's something extraordinary and spectacular. I have also heard it called "pinssi", "pinsetti" (after Swedish "pinne") and "puikko" (= pin, skewer, stick). It's not uncommon these are surrounded by strong words, and back home in Orimattila "Sport Ident" is used as one ;)

EMIT is called simply "Emit". It's good they changed the original name, "Regnly", it would have been way too difficult for most Finns including me. It's not uncommon strong words are used in the same sentence with "emit". The sentence is about orienteering and in Finnish it's usually not possible to describe how you did without using some strong words.

That was off topic, so here is some youtube O videos:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dJxP4jrE-2s
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rlfLQtMK4r4

We frequently call it a "finger stick".

Evan

Someone posted the
Greatest booms from the GPS-tracking of last weekends night relay in Finland on Youtube. Enjoy!

That's fantastic!!!

Wow. Those are some big mistakes! :)

Entertaining, but not at all surprising to me. I've certainly made much bigger mistakes than that in daylight, never mind at night. And I know other people who are in a completely different league of huge errors.

Well, the coolness isn't just in the errors themselves, but in watching them on actual GPS tracks.

Certainly it's not biggest mistakes (made bigger also myself), but it was only 8 highest ranked teams in GPS tracking so these "ranked" mistakes are made by elite level runners... for example one of them is World Champion in 2000's

http://sm2007.okorient.fi/index.php?option=com_con...

Finnish ultra long champs trailer. It is a mass start event and following is usually essential part of the game as you can see.