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Discussion: What is your favourite sports drink?

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May 20, 2005 11:59 PM # 
mindsweeper:
Hi,
what is your favourite sports drink? Why do you like it? Some sample considerations:

* Sugar content
* Salt content
* Caffeine content
* Flavor
* Price
* Weight

Drinks I have tried:
* Gatorade - cheap and plenty of flavors to choose from.
* Powerade - Higher in potassium than gatorade.
* Cytomax - Tastes like wet o-shoes.
* XL1 - Great stuff, but expensive and not sold outside Norway.
* Gu - Messy.
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May 21, 2005 12:05 AM # 
speedy:
Best of the best:

* Gookinaid HYDRALYTE - Electrolyte replacement drink - not so sweet as Gatorade.

*** Hefeweizen (bottle)
May 21, 2005 12:19 AM # 
eddie:
Guiness
May 21, 2005 12:23 AM # 
mindsweeper:
Draft, can or bottle?
May 21, 2005 12:30 AM # 
eddie:
Its all good.
May 21, 2005 12:58 AM # 
Wyatt:
I used to drink Gookinaid, but switched to Gatorade when it was easier to find. I buy ~6-10 powder mixes...

JJ had something he liked long ago, I forget what.

I currently thing I need something with more salt, as I can get bad Migraine's when dehyrdated...
May 21, 2005 1:27 AM # 
TimGood:
Gookinade E.R.G (I still have ERG because I buy it by the case and have not bought more since the name changed)

ERG - at and during races and at home
Gatorade - post long run rehydration because I can get a Double Gulp of it at 711
Powerade - On tap at McDonalds and I eat there a lot. Figure it is a little better for me than soda.
Propel - like the taste but seems a bit pricey. My dentist says I should drink more of this and less of the sugared.
Water - its cheap and available but tends to just pass thru or I do not drink enough.

I think ERG rehydrates best, Gatorade tastes better but that is because of the extra sugar. I have not tried most of the others because I am to cheap. Used to drink Safeway "Winner" sport drink before it was discontinued instead of Gatorade because it was a lot cheaper. I didn't know any came with caffeine. I would probably avoid them except in small quanties since caffeine keeps me up and gives me headaches a day or two later.
May 21, 2005 2:29 AM # 
pfc:
So I assume the McDonalds/Powerade is also post long run? :)

When running O courses (blue and red) I don't like to drink anything, maybe a few oz of water at a stop. I'm sensitive to things sloshing around.

For the longer AR type events, I like Cytomax. It's bearable if you get the right flavor (orange) and although it's a bit grainy, I find it keeps me going stronger over many hours than the Gatorade type drinks. 2:1 ratio of K:Na and not too pricey if you buy in bulk.

For post race rehydration, I prefer half and half Gatorade and water, which helps to cut the sweetness. And I take umbrage at the idea that sports drinks are a source of caffeine! That's what lattes are for. (I realize that may be a minority opinion here.)

Finally: Bass above 60 deg., Moose Drool below 60 deg.
May 21, 2005 3:22 AM # 
j-man:
Vadim's right.
May 21, 2005 4:24 AM # 
Joe:
tried many, always cramped up. switched to Gookinaid last year and things improved tremendously. and real men drink strong scottish ales or perhaps belgian ales, but never domestic.
May 21, 2005 7:19 PM # 
ebuckley:
I stick to plain water "in the field." Generally, I run with a Camelbak (or something similar) for any course longer than an hour. It doesn't slow me down and I drink a lot more if I can take sips any time.

In long races, water is often the only practical option, since you have to refill from streams (which generally come in only two flavors: gooky and not too gooky).

Before/After and at exchange zones and food drops, I'll drink whatever's available. I don't worry too much about contents, I'm just looking for fluids. I get my electrolytes from e-caps (I'll go through 20-30 of those in a 24-hour race).
May 21, 2005 8:07 PM # 
jjcote:
The only thing I'll bring with me to drink before or during a race is Shaklee Performance. For afterwards, I'll drink whatever's around. Sometimes that means Gookinaid, and I'll drink it because it's wet and sweet, but then, the same can be said for Kool-Aid. If I bring anything to drink afterwards, it'll be Coca-Cola. I have found that if I'm really hot and thirsty, Gatorade has the interesting property that I can drink a tremendous amount of it in an extremely short time. As my friend Mike used to say, "It's lubricated". Or if I'm extremely hot, a Slurpee is the best choice, because it's basically ice with the greatest possible surface area, so it cools me very fast.

The deal with Shaklee Performance is that it's the sports drink that was developed for the Daedalus human-powered airplane project in 1987-1988. I was around when the physiologist, Ethan Nadel, was figuring out what to put in it. (I usually refer to it as Ethan-All, which was an inside joke on the project before Shaklee started selling under a brand name.) It was specifically designed to deliver as much carbohydrate into the bloodstream as possible, and to keep you thirsty so that you wouldn't stop drinking. Ethan started with Exceed, and then increased the electrolytes. So it's intended for long-duration events, where you keep sipping at the stuff, and drink about a liter per hour. I most often use it by mixing up 1/2 liter or so, and drink it on my way to the start. For longer races with a drop point I'll send out another bottle. There was a time when I used to bring a bottle of it on a belt for long races, but these days I just bring Gu or something because it's easier. I find that it really makes a (positive) difference in my performance if I drink a bottle of Ethan-All just before a race.
May 23, 2005 3:14 PM # 
Sergey:
Gookinaid is probably best for after race rehydration (mixed with proper amount of water).

Heineken is my prefered relaxation drink both in dark and light flavors.
May 23, 2005 5:25 PM # 
walk:
After the taking in the usual water, erg or gatoraide at the finish, there is nothing like a nice cup of tea to revitalize the spirits!
May 23, 2005 5:31 PM # 
coach:
I'll weigh in with a prejudicial viewpoint (because I sell Shaklee). Performance has worked best for me for over 15 years, I drank gallons of it on the VT100 last year. Most others are too weak carbo wise to really give you any long enduring blood sugar lift. 25 grams per 8oz is about the most people's stomach will tolerate (that's 100 calories). As you can figure 100 calories will take you about 1 mile, so you need to gulp down this stuff pretty regularly to keep up your sugar levels, especially after you go through your stored glycogen supply (~2400 calories), which is about 20 miles on the road.
It's personal, but I can drink Performance for hours on end, I was still drinking it after 26 hours in VT. It has no weird flavors, really all natural ingrediants.
Interesting JJ mentioned it came from Exceed, which is what I used in ultras before Performance.
My second choice is Gookinaide, but it doesn't pack the punch of the Shaklee drink.

For beers......I prefer Bodington's Ale.
May 23, 2005 5:36 PM # 
j-man:
So in a Rogaine, when would you start taking the Shaklee stuff? And do you supplement with food or normal water (aside from the Hash house)?
May 23, 2005 5:52 PM # 
eddie:
I thought VT100 was a terminal protocol.
May 23, 2005 5:58 PM # 
j-man:
Old school.
May 23, 2005 6:18 PM # 
div:
vt100 was a dumb termial device from big iron era (pdp-11).

I prefer Gookinaid and Svyturis Extra.

Actually, during rogains after 12 hours in, suggested concentrtaion of Gookinaid is to sweet - we suffered a lot until found a fresh water.
May 23, 2005 9:41 PM # 
Cristina:
talking about both vt100s makes this conversation double geeky.

I hope coach is burning fat while he runs, too, because I can't imagine drinking that much of anything for 100 miles... ;-)
May 23, 2005 10:39 PM # 
Nev-Monster:
One that I've tried and have been pretty happy with is eLoad. They sponsor xcottawa.ca cross-country racing team and helped to sponsor a race I put on last year. I'm pretty sure it's available in the states, www.eload.net. Decent taste, you can tell it's good for you because it doesn't taste too good.

When it comes to preventing bonking, alot of really good skiers still use the old reliable, flat coke. From what I've heard, I've never tried it, when you're hitting the wall in a loppet, nothing tastes better than coke.

Post race recovery:
Summer drink for the drive home: Tim Hortons' Ice Cap
Then, Alexander Keith's Indian Pale ale. During the summer, a nice wheat beer like Hoegarden or Grasshopper.
May 23, 2005 11:34 PM # 
mindsweeper:
I should mention the special drink I mixed for ski-marathons it Italy:

* 1 scoop of sports-drink powder
* 1 can of coke
* 1 mashed banana
* fill up the rest with water
* shake thoroughly

Can't have been that great though - I bonked.
May 24, 2005 12:23 AM # 
eddie:
Oh man. I think I barfed up a mixture like that after a rogaine one time. Is 24 hours of shaking thorough enough? Ugh. :)
May 24, 2005 2:34 AM # 
coach:
Eddie, you don't look old enough to know what a vt100 terminal is.......
Burning fat is painful. But I ate a lot during those 26 hours. Peter couldn't believe how much i ate, but I didn't bonk. Drank lots of flat coke too.
Seriously, Mindsweeper, that mix looks way too dense, I think it exceeds the 25g/8oz rule. It doesn't do any good if it sits in your stomach and just gets shaken.
Oh, you start eating and drinking right from the get go is my appraoch in ultra events. Too easy to fall behind, then it gets nasty.
May 24, 2005 3:18 AM # 
ebone:
* For shorter races, like most orienteering races, I usually just eat a big breakfast about 3 hours before, then drink water.
* For longer races or for long distance O courses in the heat, I often drink Gookinaid Hydralite (nee ERG) or whatever electrolyte drink is available. Unless it's a race longer than a few hours, calorie intake isn't much of an issue, and a gel or two take care of that need.
* For really long races, like rogaines and long adventure races, I use a combination of three things:
1. Gookinaid with maltodextrin powder mixed in, to bring it up to 300-400 calories per liter, which is about the maximum the stomach can process, assuming 0.7-1 liters fluid intake per hour. (In long races, the rest of the energy has to come from burning fat, which shouldn't be painful if one is trained properly; it's burning muscle that is painful.)
2. One of the Hammer Nutrition drinks, such as Perpetuem or Sustained Energy, with some Endurolytes powder (same stuff as the E-Caps that Eric Buckley uses) mixed in. I mix it to the same 300-400 calories per liter, depending on the temperature.
3. Water, electrolyte caps/tabs (usually E-Caps), and Clif Bars, Hammer Gel, Gu, Balance Bars--some sort of convenient food.

The drawback to #1 is that it's a bit electrolyte impoverished, because of being a bit diluted with maltodextrin (complex carbohydrate).
The drawback to #2 is that Hammer Nutrition products (although they seem to be well-engineered and effective) are quite expensive, unless you're getting a sponsored-athlete discount. Also, sometimes I mix in too much electrolyte powder and become oversalted and crampy.
The drawback to #3 is that there is a significant risk of taking too much or too little water with an electrolyte tablet, and when the body is under the stress of a long race, it can take a long time to correct the balance.

I've never tried Shaklee Endurance. It sounds like decent stuff and worth a try. How does it compare in price?
May 24, 2005 11:20 AM # 
eddie:
Man, you guys use some crazy stuff. I usually just get by on bananas, famous amos cookies, M&Ms and pop tarts. Lots of plain water from clean plastic jugs. I think that gets me most of the polymers found in those fancy powders. If we make it back to the hash house its more complex stuff: Stew or soup and pasta, a burger, boiled potatoes. Salty chips. Sugary sports drinks just make my stomach hurt, so try to use those sparingly. Gookinaid is pretty good stuff though. That one has never bothered my stomach and isn't as sweet as the others - even half-strength gatorade.

In the rogaine I did with Vytenis in 2000 we ran the whole thing on little packets of raisinettes and 800mg tablets of ibuprofin. which he snagged from navy surplus. I think those I-tabs also doubled as inert torpedos for naval exercises. Anyways, I wouldn't recommend the raisinettes. About halfway through I had had enough of those and I haven't had one since. Just seeing a package makes my stomach rumble.
May 24, 2005 3:01 PM # 
Nielsen:
Any food tends to bother me during events. My latest nutritional/hydration strategy is very simple and works very well for me. Gu2o sports drink (balanced electrolytes and maltodextrin for carbs) and Gu or Clif Shot packets... that's it. Another similar formula is Ultima, but I don't like the taste as much because it's sweetened with stevia.

I find from talking to many different athletes that there is no one thing that works best for all people. I also, based on personal experience, feel that the better(more efficient) my energy systems (aerobic, anaerobic, etc.) are the more consistent my performance is with a lot less food/ electrolyte hydration. I also think that some people tend to bonk more than others regardless of consumption. Last AR season I would bonk in nearly every race having ate lots of foods and with teammates constantly telling me to keep eating. Now, my physical conditioning is at a much higher level and I haven’t bonked in 2005, and have been eating/ drinking less.

I've never heard of this Shaklee stuff, but it sounds like it at least has an interesting, marketable, history. Perhaps I'll try it someday if I run into some.

May 24, 2005 3:07 PM # 
Nielsen:
I forgot to mention that in the longer events I've been mixing in small amounts on plant based protein powder in my Gu2o. Some studies have shown that in longer events protein is needed to attain the synergistic balance between carbs, fat, proteins, for maximum efficiency.

I'm still testing this concept to see if it applies to me. :o)
May 24, 2005 4:10 PM # 
eddie:
Has anyone tried that hummingbird food they sell at Home Depot? It seems to work for the hummingbirds.
May 24, 2005 4:52 PM # 
Wyatt:
JJ & coach,
How do we buy the Shaklee drink?
May 24, 2005 5:13 PM # 
j-man:
I got some of that Gu2o powder (because they packaged it for free with my Gu) and couldn't stand it - mostly because it didn't seem to mix well and produced viscous globs in my water bottle.

Anyone have experience with Endurox?
May 24, 2005 6:19 PM # 
Nielsen:
Your supposed to mix Gu2o with warm water to disolve and then add cold water to it to reach desired temp. The globs are caused by the maltodextrin.

Endurox is fine but uses Whey protein which is something I personally choose not to use. Endurox and also it's supporting product Accelerade use simple sugars for their source of carbs.
May 24, 2005 6:44 PM # 
eddie:
Chlorox and Malted Dexatrim sounds like a recipe for disaster. I think Shakee's Pizza serves malteds. Would that be close enough, Wyatt? I haven't seen one in a while. Maybe they went out of business, or dropped the pizza to focus on their line of endurance drinks.
May 24, 2005 6:52 PM # 
mindsweeper:
Nielsen: "Some studies have shown that in longer events protein is needed to attain the synergistic balance between carbs, fat, proteins, for maximum efficiency."

Hm... I *have* had some luck eating cliff bars (and drinking water) instead of Gu for some longer races. Cliff bars are pretty high in protein, so that may be part of it.
May 24, 2005 7:24 PM # 
Treebug:
Personally, I find a couple of Fruit to Go's with water is what works for me. It's cheap PLUS it has a great flavor compared to those energy bars.
May 25, 2005 3:59 PM # 
Nielsen:
Yes actually clif bars do apply to the "4:1" concept that is Endurox's claim to fame. A Clif bar has around 43g of carbs and around 10g protein.

I ate clif bars for several years straight. Then on Mt. Rainier in December of 2002 I survived on cliff bars for many days while stuck in a storm. Now, even the site of clif bars makes me ill.

My teammates eat clif bars during longer races.
May 26, 2005 12:33 PM # 
jjcote:
Wyatt, I get Performance from my nearby Shaklee dealer. When I lived in Colorado, I just looked one up in the phone book. Back here in Massachusetts, it's -- Jeff!
Jun 2, 2005 12:57 AM # 
Hammer:
Race food
O: Big breakfast with oatmeal 2.5 hours before
AR Sprints/Long-O: Clif shots and Gatorade
24 AR: Lots of coke, a couple of snickers bars and anything else I puke up.
Jun 7, 2005 4:37 AM # 
Wyatt:
JJ wrote look "one up in the phone book".

What the h**l is a phone book? What's a book, for that matter? :) Lemme see what happens on Yahoo!
Ahah Expensive stuff. $9-11/gallon (vs. $1.50 for Gatorade). And considering I sometimes consume almost a gallon on a hot day... Add in shipping and...
Sep 25, 2008 4:05 PM # 
lgersten:
Back in 2001 (or maybe it was 2000), XL-1 sponsored the Birkie and was, by far, the best sports drink I've ever tried. Ever since, I've been looking on and off to purchase some, and have only found references and reviews of the stuff (all positive), and every now and then a post that it "can only be bought in Norway." It must be sold somewhere that is accessible to us US-bound creatures, do you have any idea where?

Thanks!
Sep 26, 2008 3:27 AM # 
KPittman:
Gookinaid -> Hydralyte -> is now called Vitalyte.

I just found out about Vitalyte this past weekend at the coaches clinic in Texas and I instantly loved it. As soon as I started drinking it, I could tell this is what I've been needing. I was drinking mainly water and juices like carrot or V8 juice. I can get Vitalyte in the large containers that make 5 gallons for $12 at REI. That is not much of a markup.
Sep 26, 2008 11:11 PM # 
ba-ba:
The only times I've won prizes (at fell Runnning) was when I was desperatly hungover, so I must say the best sports drink is 5 good pints and one off pint that makes you really ill...
Sep 27, 2008 3:54 AM # 
bct:
A nice recovery drink I discovered yesterday: one scoop of fruit punch Gatorade powder plus 1 glass of vanilla soy milk. Super tasty and the ratio of sugar/protein is about 5:1 IIRC.

I can't take flat coke on a run. The syrupy part churns up my stomach, but flat Mountain Dew is fine.

I won a tub of Heed powder in a raffle. It's pretty good, but your bottle smells like a roach motel if you don't rinse it out IMMEDIATELY.
Sep 28, 2008 2:46 AM # 
slow-twitch:
Racing in Japan in mid summer, we survived on Pocari Sweat as a recovery drink. Bought the first bottle as a joke but found it certainly did the trick. Shame that for some strange reason it's not exported to English speaking countries, as I'd love to get hold of some more.
Sep 28, 2008 4:34 PM # 
c.hill:
Morning of race- Black pudding and fried egg sambo, with many many mugs of steaming coffee.
Pre race - Diluted Lucozade Sport (1:1), Nuun hydration tabs
During - Nuun hydration tabs, Power Gels, Jelly babies.
Post race - Water, nuun, more coffee!
Sep 29, 2008 12:14 AM # 
Kseniya:
I'm currently experimenting with AminoVital, powder, gels and made drinks, and so far they've showed to be very effective for rehydration and recovery. They're based on amino acids, mostly branched for fast access by the muscles. All the products are on the expenisive side but I get them free from my company :)

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