Discussion: Corn Maze Classic and Sprint Champs are on
in: US Corn Maze Classic and Sprint Champs (Oct 25, 2011 - Sunderland, MA, US)
Oct 20, 2011 8:27 PM
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PG:
CMOUSA has just announced that it has awarded the 2011 US Classic and Sprint champs to Mike's Maze in Sunderland, MA. This marks a return, though of course with a whole new maze, to the site of last year's fabulous event, which saw the emergence of Greg Walker and JJ Cote as international corn maze idols. Walker is flying in from California to defend his classic title, and we expect Cote to also be on hand to defend his sprint title.
The event is scheduled for Tuesday afternoon, October 25th. Yup, that's next week. Best step up that training. More info is here, and more will be forthcoming once we get permission from Mike, which is expected tomorrow.
The event is scheduled for Tuesday afternoon, October 25th. Yup, that's next week. Best step up that training. More info is here, and more will be forthcoming once we get permission from Mike, which is expected tomorrow.
Oct 20, 2011 11:38 PM
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Don't forget the "highly popular unofficial US Corn Maze Champs" in St. Louis on Oct. 29.
Oct 21, 2011 8:51 AM
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Will cell phones pre-programmed to dial 9-1-1 replace safety whistles at the MA event?
Oct 21, 2011 1:27 PM
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PG:
Latest update --
1. We're definitely on for Mike's Maze, got the blessing this morning from Mike himself. This coming Tuesday, late afternoon.
2. Seems there is a conflict with the St. Louis event as to who is holding the Sprint champs. Excellent. Good for PR.
From an earlier AP thread -- "Fortunately, thanks to our CMO Course Setter and Organizer, our CMO champs bid will not come down to an 11th hour submission (and the dist will be sprint)." But their bid has still not been received by CMOUSA. So CMOUSA, still waiting, went ahead and awarded the sprint champs to Mike's Maze.
Negotiations are still possible....
3. Just out, the 2010 Corn Maze orienteering rankings, courtesy of JJ --
"As for my corn-maze ranking, you may be making a jest, but it occurred to me that with two events, I could slap the results from last year into a spreadsheet and apply the whole USOF ranking process to it, with gnarliness values and harmonic means and iteration and everything, so I did. Took just a few minutes. All races count for everybody, none are discarded. My ranking is 89.607, which puts me in 5th place.
Greg Walker
112.399
Alison Crocker
93.804
Boris Granovskiy
93.797
Cristina Luis
91.852
JJ Cote
89.607
George Walker
82.896
Goodwin Peter
81.862
Alexandra Jospe
79.992
Dean Sturtevant
73.220
Charlie DeWeese
70.793
Ken Walker
69.004
Sharon Crawford
64.189
Isabel Bryant
61.547
Jim Crawford
45.575
Gail Gagarin
41.932
David Bryant
30.153
Barb Bryant
28.753
Caroline Luis
20.643
Hans Bengston
20.077
Phil Bricker
0.276"
It does occur to me that there was a Long Champs in Colorado last year, and maybe that ought to go into the rankings calculation too???
1. We're definitely on for Mike's Maze, got the blessing this morning from Mike himself. This coming Tuesday, late afternoon.
2. Seems there is a conflict with the St. Louis event as to who is holding the Sprint champs. Excellent. Good for PR.
From an earlier AP thread -- "Fortunately, thanks to our CMO Course Setter and Organizer, our CMO champs bid will not come down to an 11th hour submission (and the dist will be sprint)." But their bid has still not been received by CMOUSA. So CMOUSA, still waiting, went ahead and awarded the sprint champs to Mike's Maze.
Negotiations are still possible....
3. Just out, the 2010 Corn Maze orienteering rankings, courtesy of JJ --
"As for my corn-maze ranking, you may be making a jest, but it occurred to me that with two events, I could slap the results from last year into a spreadsheet and apply the whole USOF ranking process to it, with gnarliness values and harmonic means and iteration and everything, so I did. Took just a few minutes. All races count for everybody, none are discarded. My ranking is 89.607, which puts me in 5th place.
Greg Walker
112.399
Alison Crocker
93.804
Boris Granovskiy
93.797
Cristina Luis
91.852
JJ Cote
89.607
George Walker
82.896
Goodwin Peter
81.862
Alexandra Jospe
79.992
Dean Sturtevant
73.220
Charlie DeWeese
70.793
Ken Walker
69.004
Sharon Crawford
64.189
Isabel Bryant
61.547
Jim Crawford
45.575
Gail Gagarin
41.932
David Bryant
30.153
Barb Bryant
28.753
Caroline Luis
20.643
Hans Bengston
20.077
Phil Bricker
0.276"
It does occur to me that there was a Long Champs in Colorado last year, and maybe that ought to go into the rankings calculation too???
Oct 22, 2011 3:26 AM
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Well, it had occurred to me that it would be cool to include other corn maze races, but the problem is that if you have disjoint sets of competitors, there's no way to do any math to link them (and ranking a single race is degenerate). But then after I read your note above, I remembered that Sharon had done both the Massachusetts and Colorado events. So I added those folks in and ran the numbers again.
Greg Walker 112.399
Alison Crocker 93.804
Boris Granovskiy 93.797
Cristina Luis 91.852
JJ Cote 89.607
Ryan Ognibene 89.146
Troy Bozarth 82.939
George Walker 82.896
Goodwin Peter 81.862
Neal Barlow 80.433
Alexandra Jospe 79.992
Dean Sturtevant 73.220
Charlie DeWeese 70.793
Ken Walker 69.003
Dennis Carney 65.719
Sharon Crawford 64.194
Isabel Bryant 61.546
Sverre Froyen 59.014
Doug Berling 52.556
Christina Nacos & Steve Schultz 52.404
Charlotte & Simon Maybury 50.844
Alison Campbell 47.446
Jim Crawford 45.575
B. Brooke Mann 42.521
Steve Levin 42.352
Gail Gagarin 41.932
Tom Bagby & Cory Enterkin 39.959
David Carney 38.770
Ken Lotze 38.687
Brandon Belgin 38.061
Carol Johnson 37.791
Sheryl Lehman 36.153
MC2 (Mark, Carol & Claire) 35.988
Deborah, Julie & Stephen 32.447
Jody & Mitchell 31.898
Brains-R-Us (Renee & Larry) 30.277
David Bryant 30.153
Barb Bryant 28.753
Jennifer Arce 28.716
Terry & Paula Malleck 26.149
Caroline Luis 20.643
Hans Bengtsson 20.077
Phil Bricker 0.276
Greg Walker 112.399
Alison Crocker 93.804
Boris Granovskiy 93.797
Cristina Luis 91.852
JJ Cote 89.607
Ryan Ognibene 89.146
Troy Bozarth 82.939
George Walker 82.896
Goodwin Peter 81.862
Neal Barlow 80.433
Alexandra Jospe 79.992
Dean Sturtevant 73.220
Charlie DeWeese 70.793
Ken Walker 69.003
Dennis Carney 65.719
Sharon Crawford 64.194
Isabel Bryant 61.546
Sverre Froyen 59.014
Doug Berling 52.556
Christina Nacos & Steve Schultz 52.404
Charlotte & Simon Maybury 50.844
Alison Campbell 47.446
Jim Crawford 45.575
B. Brooke Mann 42.521
Steve Levin 42.352
Gail Gagarin 41.932
Tom Bagby & Cory Enterkin 39.959
David Carney 38.770
Ken Lotze 38.687
Brandon Belgin 38.061
Carol Johnson 37.791
Sheryl Lehman 36.153
MC2 (Mark, Carol & Claire) 35.988
Deborah, Julie & Stephen 32.447
Jody & Mitchell 31.898
Brains-R-Us (Renee & Larry) 30.277
David Bryant 30.153
Barb Bryant 28.753
Jennifer Arce 28.716
Terry & Paula Malleck 26.149
Caroline Luis 20.643
Hans Bengtsson 20.077
Phil Bricker 0.276
Oct 22, 2011 10:52 AM
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0.276? I suppose there is a story that I have (mercifully) forgotten.
Oct 22, 2011 8:06 PM
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Stopped for a snooze at the Red Roof Inn in Deerfield. Or was it that I forgot to clear? In any case, it seems to have tanked my ranking :-)
Oct 22, 2011 8:17 PM
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Did anyone ever contact the local media about the tie in with elite not-getting-lost people competing at a venue just like one that was famous for people getting lost?
Oct 22, 2011 9:13 PM
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Phil's time as listed on the results was over 8 hours for ths sprint. I think there was some weird reason for that, but I don't remember the details.
Oct 22, 2011 10:13 PM
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I seriously doubt that the St. Louis event is really going to be sprint length as was claimed, since sprint length for corn maze orienteering has a winning time well under 5 minutes. The right thing here would probably be for those guys to get their bid in ASAP for the Middle Distance Champs. If they've already ordered big trophies saying Sprint Champs, well, that's just poor planning.
Oct 23, 2011 1:36 AM
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Bid submitted. I think. Sharpie is ready to make the appropriate trophy alterations.
Oct 24, 2011 4:03 PM
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PG:
Courses for tomorrow's Classic and Sprint champs have been finalized. Entries are due by tonight. So far I have:
Greg Walker (defending classic champ and top in the rankings)
JJ Cote (defending sprint champ)
Alex Jospe
Ali Crocker
Carol Ross
Barb Bryant
Isabel Bryant
Gail Gagarin
Rhonda DeWeese
Lyn Walker
Nancy Duprey
George Walker
Charlie Deweese
Ken Walker Sr
Clint Morse
Phil Bricker
Dean Sturtevant
Greg Walker (defending classic champ and top in the rankings)
JJ Cote (defending sprint champ)
Alex Jospe
Ali Crocker
Carol Ross
Barb Bryant
Isabel Bryant
Gail Gagarin
Rhonda DeWeese
Lyn Walker
Nancy Duprey
George Walker
Charlie Deweese
Ken Walker Sr
Clint Morse
Phil Bricker
Dean Sturtevant
Oct 24, 2011 4:09 PM
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PG:
Just in case anyone might be interested, there will also be two rollerski orienteering events Wednesday morning. The first a middle distance in Northampton, almost all flat, the second a sprint in South Deerfield almost all uphill. Entries so far are --
Ali Crocker
Aex Jospe
Greg Walker
Ken Walker Sr
The plan was to make it them the US Champs, but it seems like the work required -- forming a federation (RSOUSA), creating a logo, launching a website, developing rules, going through the sanctioning process, all in addition to making the maps, setting the courses, and running the events -- well, it seems like that might take as much as 72 hours, and there's less than 48 hours to the first start. So maybe next year.
Contact me ASAP if you want to join in.
Ali Crocker
Aex Jospe
Greg Walker
Ken Walker Sr
The plan was to make it them the US Champs, but it seems like the work required -- forming a federation (RSOUSA), creating a logo, launching a website, developing rules, going through the sanctioning process, all in addition to making the maps, setting the courses, and running the events -- well, it seems like that might take as much as 72 hours, and there's less than 48 hours to the first start. So maybe next year.
Contact me ASAP if you want to join in.
Oct 24, 2011 5:47 PM
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I think with enough dedication + a pen and some napkins, we can write up the RSOUSA charter during the post race corn maze party at Bubs. Posting a picture of them to someone's log counts as a national federation website.
Oct 24, 2011 7:25 PM
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Peter - Anna will be attending with me, but will need to borrow/rent an SI stick...
Oct 24, 2011 11:30 PM
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PG:
I think with enough dedication + a pen and some napkins, we can write up the RSOUSA charter during the post race corn maze party at Bubs. Posting a picture of them to someone's log counts as a national federation website.
And here is a sneak preview of our first logo submission, this from Matthew Robbins. This will be especially suitable for the sprint event.
Who knows, maybe it's not too late for the RSO champs.
And here is a sneak preview of our first logo submission, this from Matthew Robbins. This will be especially suitable for the sprint event.
Who knows, maybe it's not too late for the RSO champs.
Oct 25, 2011 12:18 AM
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PG:
Courses for tomorrow's Classic and Sprint champs have been finalized. The maps are just about finished. Entries are due by tonight. Late entrants include Sharon Crawford, Anna Morse, and Sam Levitin. We are about at our limit, and anyone else interested best enter real quickly.
Greg Walker* (defending classic champ and top in the rankings)
JJ Cote* (defending sprint champ)
Alex Jospe*
Ali Crocker*
Carol Ross*
Barb Bryant*
Isabel Bryant*
Gail Gagarin*
Rhonda DeWeese
Lyn Walker*
Nancy Duprey*
Sharon Crawford*
Anna Morse
George Walker*
Charlie Deweese*
Ken Walker Sr
Clint Morse*
Phil Bricker
Dean Sturtevant
Sam Levitin
* By my count over half the field are current or former national champions, and I may have missed a couple.
Meanwhile, in the interests of efficiency, CMOUSA's Board will be voting shortly on a proposal to take on RSOUSA as a subsidiary. If that vote is in the affirmative, then it seems very likely that the 2011 US Middle and Sprint Champs in RollerSki Orienteering will be taking place on Wednesday morning. Entries for it must be received by noon tomorrow. Stay tuned....
Greg Walker* (defending classic champ and top in the rankings)
JJ Cote* (defending sprint champ)
Alex Jospe*
Ali Crocker*
Carol Ross*
Barb Bryant*
Isabel Bryant*
Gail Gagarin*
Rhonda DeWeese
Lyn Walker*
Nancy Duprey*
Sharon Crawford*
Anna Morse
George Walker*
Charlie Deweese*
Ken Walker Sr
Clint Morse*
Phil Bricker
Dean Sturtevant
Sam Levitin
* By my count over half the field are current or former national champions, and I may have missed a couple.
Meanwhile, in the interests of efficiency, CMOUSA's Board will be voting shortly on a proposal to take on RSOUSA as a subsidiary. If that vote is in the affirmative, then it seems very likely that the 2011 US Middle and Sprint Champs in RollerSki Orienteering will be taking place on Wednesday morning. Entries for it must be received by noon tomorrow. Stay tuned....
Oct 25, 2011 12:43 AM
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Nancy (1999, 2001) and Charlie (1996) have both won the Two-Day Classic Champs.
Oct 25, 2011 1:07 AM
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PG:
I figured there were at least a couple more but wasn't sure. List corrected.
Map and course notes
1. The map is black and white. You can go where it is white. Black is out of bounds. Contour interval is 10 meters on the north part of the map and 5 meters on the south part. The map scale is appropriate. Magnetic north is indicated.
2. According to Mike, the maze is in bad shape, with parts flattened by Irene and other parts damaged by panicked customers trying to get out of the maze and making their own trails. For orienteering, however, the maze is in fine shape. You can't cross the corn even if it has been flattened and is now only a foot high. And you can only go on the original trails. It's actually pretty easy to tell which they are.
3. There will be a map change for the Classic. You'll get both maps at the start, up though control 11 on one side, 12 to 18 on the other. No clues. Control codes are 31 to 48, in order.
4. The Sprint -- the original purpose of which was to give you a chance for redemption after screwing up the Classic -- has 6 controls. No clues, though clever folks will notice that there is a form of clues. Control codes are 51 to 56, in order.
5. First start for the Classic is 5 pm sharp. One-minute intervals. Red group will start last based on corn-maze rankings.
6. First start for the Sprint is 5:50 pm sharp. 30-second intervals. Red group will start last. We need to be on time because it is dark by 6:15.
7. E-punching. Remember to clear/check before you start. We will use start boxes. After the Classic, remember to download before you clear/check for the Sprint.
8. Panic. If you panic, and are tempted to call 911 on your cell phone because you can't find your way out, think carefully before you do so, because you will be ridiculed for the rest of your life.
9. Bring a map case if you can. Maps are 8.5 x 11.
10. Start lists will be posted in the morning.
Map and course notes
1. The map is black and white. You can go where it is white. Black is out of bounds. Contour interval is 10 meters on the north part of the map and 5 meters on the south part. The map scale is appropriate. Magnetic north is indicated.
2. According to Mike, the maze is in bad shape, with parts flattened by Irene and other parts damaged by panicked customers trying to get out of the maze and making their own trails. For orienteering, however, the maze is in fine shape. You can't cross the corn even if it has been flattened and is now only a foot high. And you can only go on the original trails. It's actually pretty easy to tell which they are.
3. There will be a map change for the Classic. You'll get both maps at the start, up though control 11 on one side, 12 to 18 on the other. No clues. Control codes are 31 to 48, in order.
4. The Sprint -- the original purpose of which was to give you a chance for redemption after screwing up the Classic -- has 6 controls. No clues, though clever folks will notice that there is a form of clues. Control codes are 51 to 56, in order.
5. First start for the Classic is 5 pm sharp. One-minute intervals. Red group will start last based on corn-maze rankings.
6. First start for the Sprint is 5:50 pm sharp. 30-second intervals. Red group will start last. We need to be on time because it is dark by 6:15.
7. E-punching. Remember to clear/check before you start. We will use start boxes. After the Classic, remember to download before you clear/check for the Sprint.
8. Panic. If you panic, and are tempted to call 911 on your cell phone because you can't find your way out, think carefully before you do so, because you will be ridiculed for the rest of your life.
9. Bring a map case if you can. Maps are 8.5 x 11.
10. Start lists will be posted in the morning.
Oct 25, 2011 5:53 AM
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Please consider this message to be RMOC's official request to have our upcoming Corn Maze meet designated as the 2011 Long Corn Maze Championships.
Respectfully submitted,
B. Brooke Mann
Meet Director
Rocky Mountain Orienteering Club
Respectfully submitted,
B. Brooke Mann
Meet Director
Rocky Mountain Orienteering Club
Oct 25, 2011 11:21 AM
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PG:
RMOC's bid has been approved.
I think the Middle champs will be at SLOC this Saturday, but haven't seen an actual bid yet.
I think the Middle champs will be at SLOC this Saturday, but haven't seen an actual bid yet.
Oct 25, 2011 11:33 AM
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I received a bid for the middle a couple of days ago. It looks good, I can't imagine there'll be any reason to deny sanctioning.
Oct 25, 2011 11:33 AM
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It probably goes without saying, but I assume that the out-of-bounds rule means that one is not allowed to reach through or over corn to punch.
As for credentials, in order to qualify for the top-ranking position in the Red Group, one must presumably be able to prove that one is actually Greg Walker. Bringing three people to vouch for his identity, each of whom has demonstrated the ability to lift him with one arm, should suffice.
As for credentials, in order to qualify for the top-ranking position in the Red Group, one must presumably be able to prove that one is actually Greg Walker. Bringing three people to vouch for his identity, each of whom has demonstrated the ability to lift him with one arm, should suffice.
Oct 25, 2011 11:37 AM
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Do these latest bids meet all the requirements of the strategic plan?
Oct 25, 2011 11:59 AM
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PG:
I received a bid for the middle a couple of days ago. It looks good, I can't imagine there'll be any reason to deny sanctioning.
Great! So we are all set. And what a fine schedule CMOUSA has put together. Four championship events in a compact 6-day period (so what if they are in three different time zones).
Do these latest bids meet all the requirements of the strategic plan?
"In addition to the Corn Maze, your ticket allows entry to other "Fall Festival" activities at the farm: hayride to the pumpkin patch, animal acres, pumpkin launching, pedal karts, "redneck rollercoaster", petting zoo, etc."
Sure sounds like a party to me.
It probably goes without saying, but I assume that the out-of-bounds rule means that one is not allowed to reach through or over corn to punch.
Of course. Though I think you would need really long arms. Biggins might be the only one able to pull it off.
Start list will be posted shortly.
Great! So we are all set. And what a fine schedule CMOUSA has put together. Four championship events in a compact 6-day period (so what if they are in three different time zones).
Do these latest bids meet all the requirements of the strategic plan?
"In addition to the Corn Maze, your ticket allows entry to other "Fall Festival" activities at the farm: hayride to the pumpkin patch, animal acres, pumpkin launching, pedal karts, "redneck rollercoaster", petting zoo, etc."
Sure sounds like a party to me.
It probably goes without saying, but I assume that the out-of-bounds rule means that one is not allowed to reach through or over corn to punch.
Of course. Though I think you would need really long arms. Biggins might be the only one able to pull it off.
Start list will be posted shortly.
Oct 25, 2011 12:25 PM
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PG:
Start list -- Classic Champs
1700 Rhonda DeWeese
1701 Gail Gagarin
1702 Lyn Walker
1703 Anna Morse
1704 Sam Levitin
1705 Nancy Duprey
1706 Dean Sturtevant
1707 Isabel Bryant
1708 George Walker
1709 Sharon Crawford
1710 Barb Bryant
1711 Ken Walker Sr
1712 Charlie DeWeese
1713 Carol Ross
1714 Clint Morse
1718 JJ Cote
1719 Alex Jospe
1720 Greg Walker
1721 Adam Bricker
1722 Marek Petřivalský
1723 Phil Bricker
1724 Ali Crocker
Note that the red group is slightly bastardized to accommodate a late arriving group from UMass.
Start list -- Sprint Champs
1750:00 Gail Gagarin
1750:30 Rhonda DeWeese
1751:00 Anna Morse
1751:30 Lyn Walker
1752:00 Nancy Duprey
1752:30 Sam Levitin
1753:00 Isabel Bryant
1753:30 George Walker
1754:00 Dean Sturtevant
1754:30 Sharon Crawford
1755:00 Ken Walker Sr
1755:30 Barb Bryant
1756:00 Charlie DeWeese
1756:30 Clint Morse
1757:00 Adam Bricker
1757:30 Marek Petřivalský
1758:00 Phil Bricker
1758:30 Carol Ross
1759:00 Alex Jospe
1759:30 Greg Walker
1800:00 Ali Crocker
1800:30 JJ Cote
Note that it is getting dark by 1810. Headlamps should not be required but are allowed.
1700 Rhonda DeWeese
1701 Gail Gagarin
1702 Lyn Walker
1703 Anna Morse
1704 Sam Levitin
1705 Nancy Duprey
1706 Dean Sturtevant
1707 Isabel Bryant
1708 George Walker
1709 Sharon Crawford
1710 Barb Bryant
1711 Ken Walker Sr
1712 Charlie DeWeese
1713 Carol Ross
1714 Clint Morse
1718 JJ Cote
1719 Alex Jospe
1720 Greg Walker
1721 Adam Bricker
1722 Marek Petřivalský
1723 Phil Bricker
1724 Ali Crocker
Note that the red group is slightly bastardized to accommodate a late arriving group from UMass.
Start list -- Sprint Champs
1750:00 Gail Gagarin
1750:30 Rhonda DeWeese
1751:00 Anna Morse
1751:30 Lyn Walker
1752:00 Nancy Duprey
1752:30 Sam Levitin
1753:00 Isabel Bryant
1753:30 George Walker
1754:00 Dean Sturtevant
1754:30 Sharon Crawford
1755:00 Ken Walker Sr
1755:30 Barb Bryant
1756:00 Charlie DeWeese
1756:30 Clint Morse
1757:00 Adam Bricker
1757:30 Marek Petřivalský
1758:00 Phil Bricker
1758:30 Carol Ross
1759:00 Alex Jospe
1759:30 Greg Walker
1800:00 Ali Crocker
1800:30 JJ Cote
Note that it is getting dark by 1810. Headlamps should not be required but are allowed.
Oct 25, 2011 3:45 PM
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PG:
The classic is 1.5 km (as the crow flies), the sprint is 300 meters. For those new to corn-maze orienteering, any times under 10 minutes/km are excellent (assuming you have a decent maze.
Tthe Classic Champs are meant to be a test of navigation skills and endurance over a variety of terrain, whereas the Sprint Champs are short and fast and as devious as possible, a test of speed and cunning. Although this year's sprint will not be quite as devious as last years.
The weather is expected to be dry but windy. Might be feeling chilly with the wind, so come prepared.
From the intersection of routes 116 and 47 in Sunderland, Mike's Maze is 3/10 mile south on 47, on the right-hand side.
Distance from parking to arena -- no more than 50 meters
Distance from parking to toilets -- 25 meters
Distance from arena to start -- 0
To get to the party at Bub's, go back to the light at 116/47 and turn right on 116 (towards Amherst). Bub's is 3.2 miles on the left.
Tthe Classic Champs are meant to be a test of navigation skills and endurance over a variety of terrain, whereas the Sprint Champs are short and fast and as devious as possible, a test of speed and cunning. Although this year's sprint will not be quite as devious as last years.
The weather is expected to be dry but windy. Might be feeling chilly with the wind, so come prepared.
From the intersection of routes 116 and 47 in Sunderland, Mike's Maze is 3/10 mile south on 47, on the right-hand side.
Distance from parking to arena -- no more than 50 meters
Distance from parking to toilets -- 25 meters
Distance from arena to start -- 0
To get to the party at Bub's, go back to the light at 116/47 and turn right on 116 (towards Amherst). Bub's is 3.2 miles on the left.
Oct 25, 2011 11:24 PM
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Standing by for the results, post race report from Bud's, and the video. I'll give J-J a two hour cushion for producing the rolling rankings.
Speaking of which...
Speaking of which...
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Oct 26, 2011 2:02 AM
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PG:
And there are some interesting splits. Among the most impressive, if they took a legal route, was...
-- Marek on leg 3-4 in the classic, 22 seconds, next best was 52 seconds.
-- Sam on leg 6-7 in the classic, 38 seconds, next best 48 by the devious Phil, next best 1:03.
-- Phil in the chute in the classic, best time, really.
Meanwhile certain anonymous ski orienteers and their support crew are sitting here trying to do their Quick Routes, and I keep hearing, Oops, looks like I cheated there....
And then, Oh, there's another one....
Did anyone run a legal route? Or even close?
Note that under current CMOUSA rules, this is a just a matter of idle speculation, as there are no rules regarding going into out of bounds areas, nor any adverse consequences.
Except public heckling, of course.
Though I'm not saying anyone did that.... :-)
-- Marek on leg 3-4 in the classic, 22 seconds, next best was 52 seconds.
-- Sam on leg 6-7 in the classic, 38 seconds, next best 48 by the devious Phil, next best 1:03.
-- Phil in the chute in the classic, best time, really.
Meanwhile certain anonymous ski orienteers and their support crew are sitting here trying to do their Quick Routes, and I keep hearing, Oops, looks like I cheated there....
And then, Oh, there's another one....
Did anyone run a legal route? Or even close?
Note that under current CMOUSA rules, this is a just a matter of idle speculation, as there are no rules regarding going into out of bounds areas, nor any adverse consequences.
Except public heckling, of course.
Though I'm not saying anyone did that.... :-)
Oct 26, 2011 2:10 AM
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When are the CMOUSA Trail-O Champs? You can't be a legitimate NGB if you are not representing all disciplines. (This was a serious question posed this evening. I am just an interlocutor.)
Oct 26, 2011 2:17 AM
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Who said corn-trail-O was a discipline? Is ski-trail-O? Night-trail-O? Night-corn-ski-relay-trail-O?
Oct 26, 2011 2:21 AM
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PG:
A draft of CMOUSA's version 2 of its strategic plan does address the matter of Trail=O Champs, but the timeframe for its development calls for the Ski-O Champs to come first. Though it is still just a draft. If there is enough demand for a Trail-O Champs from either the participants or the media, then I would think the Board would reconsider its priorities.
Oct 26, 2011 2:31 AM
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Results data entered, give me a couple of minutes to crank out the rankings.
Oct 26, 2011 3:20 AM
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There may be a different ranking list at some point, but for right now, the CMOUSA rolling rankings average your best (up to) six runs in the last 13 months:
Greg Walker 104.231
Boris Granovskiy 99.244
Cristina Luis 96.526
Marek Petrivalsky 94.213
Ryan Ognibene 87.383
Alison Crocker 87.111
Peter Goodwin 86.184
J-J Cote 84.431
Troy Bozarth 81.299
Neal Barlow 78.843
Carol Ross 77.426
Alexandra Jospe 76.157
George Walker 74.697
Dean Sturtevant 68.925
Ken Walker 66.127
Dennis Carney 64.419
Charlie DeWeese 64.343
Sharon Crawford 62.921
Isabel Bryant 62.911
Sam Levitin 62.875
Clint Morse 62.438
Sverre Froyen 57.847
Barb Bryant 53.377
Doug Berling 51.517
Christina Nacos & Steve Schultz 51.368
Charlotte & Simon Maybury 49.839
Alison Campbell 46.508
Jim Crawford 44.036
B. Brooke Mann 41.680
Steve Levin 41.515
Gail Gagarin 39.630
Tom Bagby & Cory Enterkin 39.169
David Carney 38.003
Ken Lotze 37.922
Brandon Belgin 37.308
Carol Johnson 37.043
David Bryant 36.909
Sheryl Lehman 35.438
MC2 (Mark, Carol & Claire) 35.276
Phil Bricker 32.640
Deborah, Julie & Stephen 31.806
Jody & Mitchell 31.268
Brains-R-Us (Renee & Larry) 29.678
Jennifer Arce 28.148
Terry & Paula Malleck 25.632
Caroline Luis 25.269
Hans Bengston 24.576
Nancy Duprey 20.103
Greg Walker 104.231
Boris Granovskiy 99.244
Cristina Luis 96.526
Marek Petrivalsky 94.213
Ryan Ognibene 87.383
Alison Crocker 87.111
Peter Goodwin 86.184
J-J Cote 84.431
Troy Bozarth 81.299
Neal Barlow 78.843
Carol Ross 77.426
Alexandra Jospe 76.157
George Walker 74.697
Dean Sturtevant 68.925
Ken Walker 66.127
Dennis Carney 64.419
Charlie DeWeese 64.343
Sharon Crawford 62.921
Isabel Bryant 62.911
Sam Levitin 62.875
Clint Morse 62.438
Sverre Froyen 57.847
Barb Bryant 53.377
Doug Berling 51.517
Christina Nacos & Steve Schultz 51.368
Charlotte & Simon Maybury 49.839
Alison Campbell 46.508
Jim Crawford 44.036
B. Brooke Mann 41.680
Steve Levin 41.515
Gail Gagarin 39.630
Tom Bagby & Cory Enterkin 39.169
David Carney 38.003
Ken Lotze 37.922
Brandon Belgin 37.308
Carol Johnson 37.043
David Bryant 36.909
Sheryl Lehman 35.438
MC2 (Mark, Carol & Claire) 35.276
Phil Bricker 32.640
Deborah, Julie & Stephen 31.806
Jody & Mitchell 31.268
Brains-R-Us (Renee & Larry) 29.678
Jennifer Arce 28.148
Terry & Paula Malleck 25.632
Caroline Luis 25.269
Hans Bengston 24.576
Nancy Duprey 20.103
Oct 26, 2011 3:28 AM
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CMOUSA Middle Start List (a formidable field!):
Ahmed Nadim
Armstrong Fran
Barker Dan
Barker Zac
Barrett Jessica
Barrett Joe
Barrett Matt
Boltz Bob
Bond Daniel
Carnahan Chris
Clatterbuck Paul
Conradi Mikkel
Crawford Sharon
Crocker Alison
Crowther John
Deconescu Natalia
Dickison Peggy
Dwyer Dan
Fillebrown Sandy
Frei David
Froyen Sverre
Gagarin Peter
Gaylord Rich
Gogol Peter
Jospe Alexandra
Kitchen Tanya
Kuzmis Antonina
Langton Ben
Larsson Carl
Lennon Greg
Lennon Kathleen
Lennon Max
Lennon Nicole
Masalkov Vadim
McGrath Clem
Meehan Pat
Menninger Fritz
Meyer Valerie
Minium Mike
Mitchell Randy
Neuburger Richard
Nikolenko Viktor
Olaru Mauricel
Olsen Guy
Parsons Mark
Riley Wyatt
Robbins Matthew
Roe Reta
Ross Carol
Shahbazian Charlie
Shatskin Leonid
Shields Brendan
Shifman Mike
Siegenthaler Walter
Smith Ian
Svoboda Christopher
Svobodny Caterina
Svobodny Tom
Theodore Good
Thorne Max
Walker Greg
Waller David
Welsh David
Welsh Julia
Young Mark
Yuen Wangki
Ahmed Nadim
Armstrong Fran
Barker Dan
Barker Zac
Barrett Jessica
Barrett Joe
Barrett Matt
Boltz Bob
Bond Daniel
Carnahan Chris
Clatterbuck Paul
Conradi Mikkel
Crawford Sharon
Crocker Alison
Crowther John
Deconescu Natalia
Dickison Peggy
Dwyer Dan
Fillebrown Sandy
Frei David
Froyen Sverre
Gagarin Peter
Gaylord Rich
Gogol Peter
Jospe Alexandra
Kitchen Tanya
Kuzmis Antonina
Langton Ben
Larsson Carl
Lennon Greg
Lennon Kathleen
Lennon Max
Lennon Nicole
Masalkov Vadim
McGrath Clem
Meehan Pat
Menninger Fritz
Meyer Valerie
Minium Mike
Mitchell Randy
Neuburger Richard
Nikolenko Viktor
Olaru Mauricel
Olsen Guy
Parsons Mark
Riley Wyatt
Robbins Matthew
Roe Reta
Ross Carol
Shahbazian Charlie
Shatskin Leonid
Shields Brendan
Shifman Mike
Siegenthaler Walter
Smith Ian
Svoboda Christopher
Svobodny Caterina
Svobodny Tom
Theodore Good
Thorne Max
Walker Greg
Waller David
Welsh David
Welsh Julia
Young Mark
Yuen Wangki
Oct 26, 2011 3:31 AM
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I'll note that the Sprint this year is almost certainly the race with the lowest GV ever: 0.303. By way of comparison, the GV for Blue at this year's Team Trials, on the Long day, was 10234. Those are not on the same scale, of course -- if they were, the corn maze sprint would probably have a GV more like 0.22.
Oct 26, 2011 3:34 AM
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Looks like four already-ranked runners in the Middle -- excellent! That should make the merging in of the new names to the ranking list very robust.
Oct 26, 2011 4:04 AM
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Exposed! My track tells the story. On 6-7 I apparently went through the black between the H and I. On the finish, I apparently went straight up the R to the exit path, rather than around. And I seem to have gone through the black between the Y and the D on 15-16. Oh well. Not so much devious, as not reading the map when there was a path going my way.
Oct 26, 2011 5:49 AM
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Optimum ("legal") routes have been analyzed, and the official course lengths are 2561 m for the Classic and 454 m for the Sprint. The leg lengths on the splits page have been updated, and the optimal route maps will be posted tomorrow. (You're probably in good company, Phil -- I suspect that very few got around the Classic course without going through something mapped as uncrossable. 6-7 was a particularly tricky leg that requied going quite a way around, though I'm pretty sure that there were some "illegal" connections that were indistinguishable on the ground from mapped paths.)
By the way, the Google Earth image for the maze is from September 18, and shows remarkable detail. The flattened areas show up clearly, and it's obvious that there was wind damage through a good chunk of the map. Coordinates are 42 27.695' N, 72 35.048' W.
By the way, the Google Earth image for the maze is from September 18, and shows remarkable detail. The flattened areas show up clearly, and it's obvious that there was wind damage through a good chunk of the map. Coordinates are 42 27.695' N, 72 35.048' W.
Oct 26, 2011 10:27 AM
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PG:
It's now just 30 minutes to the first start of the 2011 RollerSki Orienteering Middle Champs in Northampton, MA. Start times are:
0700 Ken Walker Sr.
0702 Ali Crocker
0704 Alex Jospe
0706 Greg Walker
The Middle is about 6 km (optimum route), 12 controls, almost no climb.
This will be followed almost immediately by the Sprint Champs just a few miles north in South Deerfield. The Sprint has an optimum route of 1.5 km, 2 controls and 5 questions, and is almost all climb.
Start order is based on the Middle results, slowest is off first.
Maps and results will be posted later this morning.
Current weather conditions are 40F, calm, overcast with a good chance of showers. And it is still quite dark -- sunrise is at 7:15.
0700 Ken Walker Sr.
0702 Ali Crocker
0704 Alex Jospe
0706 Greg Walker
The Middle is about 6 km (optimum route), 12 controls, almost no climb.
This will be followed almost immediately by the Sprint Champs just a few miles north in South Deerfield. The Sprint has an optimum route of 1.5 km, 2 controls and 5 questions, and is almost all climb.
Start order is based on the Middle results, slowest is off first.
Maps and results will be posted later this morning.
Current weather conditions are 40F, calm, overcast with a good chance of showers. And it is still quite dark -- sunrise is at 7:15.
Oct 26, 2011 1:14 PM
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Greg is a corn maze genius!
I so need to move to Western Mass/Northern CT.
I so need to move to Western Mass/Northern CT.
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Oct 26, 2011 1:48 PM
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PG:
Results, 2011 USA RollerSki Orienteering Middle Distance Champs:
1. Greg Walker 18:40 (7:57 at the split, just after #6)
2. Ali Crocker 20:39 (8:44)
3. Alex Jospe 23:26 (8:26)
4. Ken Walker Sr 28:34 (11:24)
Conditions: Gloomy, mostly dry.
1. Greg Walker 18:40 (7:57 at the split, just after #6)
2. Ali Crocker 20:39 (8:44)
3. Alex Jospe 23:26 (8:26)
4. Ken Walker Sr 28:34 (11:24)
Conditions: Gloomy, mostly dry.
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Oct 26, 2011 1:57 PM
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PG:
Results, 2011 USA RollerSki Orienteering Sprint Champs:
1. Greg Walker 10:12 (10:12 elapsed time, 0:00 penalty)
2. Ali Crocker 11:56 (10:56, 1:00)
3. Alex Jospe 12:39 (11:39, 1:00)
4. Ken Walker 15:20 (14:20, 1:00)
There was a penalty of 30 seconds for each question not answered correctly. Everyone got questions 1, 2, and 5 correct, but only Greg got 3 and 4. The answers were: $2, 15 mph, 13, 150 feet, and 2.
1. Greg Walker 10:12 (10:12 elapsed time, 0:00 penalty)
2. Ali Crocker 11:56 (10:56, 1:00)
3. Alex Jospe 12:39 (11:39, 1:00)
4. Ken Walker 15:20 (14:20, 1:00)
There was a penalty of 30 seconds for each question not answered correctly. Everyone got questions 1, 2, and 5 correct, but only Greg got 3 and 4. The answers were: $2, 15 mph, 13, 150 feet, and 2.
Oct 26, 2011 2:54 PM
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ken:
it looks like 1-second GPS recording mode is the way to go in the corn. "smart" GPSs would never be silly enough to run in so many zig-zags.
Oct 26, 2011 3:49 PM
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BP:
LOL :-) although I have to wonder, given performances, whether some are juicing on fermented corn byproducts. Perhaps USADA should take note?
Oct 26, 2011 4:10 PM
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-- Sam on leg 6-7 in the classic, 38 seconds, next best 48 by the devious Phil, next best 1:03
I saw the split here and concluded that it MUST have been a skewed clock on the Epunch box. I looked at my split on the Garmin and it agreed, ~38s. Then, perhaps for the first time, I studied the map to determine the shortest valid route. The shortest valid route I could find deviates significantly from the adrenaline-filled orienteer's route. I *may* have hurdled a blocked section between the cubicles containing 'C' and 'H'.
I saw the split here and concluded that it MUST have been a skewed clock on the Epunch box. I looked at my split on the Garmin and it agreed, ~38s. Then, perhaps for the first time, I studied the map to determine the shortest valid route. The shortest valid route I could find deviates significantly from the adrenaline-filled orienteer's route. I *may* have hurdled a blocked section between the cubicles containing 'C' and 'H'.
Oct 26, 2011 5:01 PM
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I was using 3-second recording on my GPS, which was adequate for figuring out where I had gone, but I definitely should have bumped it up to 1-second.
Oct 26, 2011 6:02 PM
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AliC:
Yes, Becky, move up here, then you can have good music times in Noho too!! =)
Rollerski-o middle was pretty awesome, having the details in the industrial park was fun, if the map was a wee bit hard to read (dark, gloom and roads nearly the same color as grass...). Rollerbiathalon-sprint-uphill, well, kinda can't believe I (nor Alex, nor Ken) could manage to count to 13... watch out Greg, we're going to train for next year by taking remedial kindergarten!!
Major thanks to PG!
Rollerski-o middle was pretty awesome, having the details in the industrial park was fun, if the map was a wee bit hard to read (dark, gloom and roads nearly the same color as grass...). Rollerbiathalon-sprint-uphill, well, kinda can't believe I (nor Alex, nor Ken) could manage to count to 13... watch out Greg, we're going to train for next year by taking remedial kindergarten!!
Major thanks to PG!
Oct 26, 2011 7:30 PM
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GuyO:
Wow! Mike's maize maze is amazingly detailed. Some of the corn stands in the face must have been very vague in terms of what is in or out of bounds.
Hope the USCMO Middle Champs maze is at least half as tricky!
Hope the USCMO Middle Champs maze is at least half as tricky!
Oct 27, 2011 1:11 AM
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Classic route choice decision on #1-2:
"How DO I get into Noah Webster's head?"
That is amazing detail!
"How DO I get into Noah Webster's head?"
That is amazing detail!
Oct 27, 2011 8:54 PM
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Before the meet I guessed what the sprint course would spell when PG announced it had 6 controls. I was so thrilled to be right as I looked at my map I lost several seconds gloating...
Oct 28, 2011 2:26 AM
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It appears that:
a) this year's Mike's Maze is based on a potrait of Noah Webster that was painted by Samuel F. B. Morse.
b) Noah Webster is the guy responsible for the fact that we Americans spell things differently than the other English speakers do (words like center and color).
a) this year's Mike's Maze is based on a potrait of Noah Webster that was painted by Samuel F. B. Morse.
b) Noah Webster is the guy responsible for the fact that we Americans spell things differently than the other English speakers do (words like center and color).
Oct 28, 2011 5:42 PM
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Shouldn't that be the honourable Noah Webster?
I was going to ask who it was. I figured it was either a dead President or Samuel Adams.
I was going to ask who it was. I figured it was either a dead President or Samuel Adams.
Oct 28, 2011 5:51 PM
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One of the local corn mazes here in Hamilton (across the road from where we host our school race) is on google earth.
http://g.co/maps/5qgg7
http://g.co/maps/5qgg7
Oct 28, 2011 9:19 PM
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Geez, that looks close enough to the start to be part of the RTH course! Yikes!
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