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Nov 4, 2006 12:15 PM # 
naomi:
Hey everybody!

I'm just asking myself about a "training" I did yesterday. I went to our local gym and played soccer for 90 minutes with some friends.
Which effects do you think has this game. In the end I think it's some kind of fartlek over 90 minutes...! Pretty tough thing.

I just want to know what you guys think about it! Can one include it into the training or not? Are there the same effects with 90 minutes fartlek (running)?

Would be cool getting some answers from you!
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Nov 4, 2006 1:31 PM # 
BorisGr:
I think of soccer as training - a fartlek is the right analogy, i'd say. As long as you are running up and down the whole time, you certainly should count it. The only worry with soccer is the risk of twisting an ankle, so just be careful.
Nov 4, 2006 3:07 PM # 
Gil:
Also I'd be worried about hitting ball with head too much while playing soccer.
Nov 5, 2006 3:16 AM # 
div:
be worried about feet - head is hard as a stone.
Nov 5, 2006 1:25 PM # 
naomi:
jep. the head isn't the problem - it's really hard and as we are playing indoor 99% of the balls are played down on the ground! ;)

my feet? they're so damaged right now ... it doesn't matter - NO - but we all know us very well and everybody takes care. it's no guarantee but till now nothing happend!
Nov 5, 2006 10:53 PM # 
EricW:
I heard (from Tom Hollowell?) of a Nordic O club playing soccer in one of their typical open marshes, for both yucks and X training, I guess. Sounds great for working the soft forest running muscles. My legs tie up just thinking about it. Unfortunately, Ive yet to see a North American marsh where this would work, and it would probably land you in deep "~mud" with enviro regulators as well.
Nov 6, 2006 5:13 AM # 
Gil:
Soccer in mud
Nov 6, 2006 10:34 AM # 
jwolff:
Soccer is good training, given that you can keep the tempo through the game. My experience is, however, that the intensity of the game drops significantly with time. At the end of the game, there's a lot of deadtime with just someone fetching the ball from somewhere.

But instead of adapting your traing log to your activities, try to adapt your game to your training routines: Once I used to play soccer with a timer, running madly after about every ball for 4 min then focusing on central defense for 2 min. After 10 rounds you're completely worn out.

Yes it affects your game but then, whioch are your priorities? It does require some understanding from your mates, though.
Nov 7, 2006 5:19 AM # 
ebone:
Soccer in mud I like pics 1 (women with pigtails looking aggressive--it's the second pic down), 3 (dude with AC/DC shirt and other guy in loud attire) and 26 (mud wrastling pig pile).

Oh, yeah. This thread is about soccer. I've always found soccer to be a really tiring fartlek workout, I guess because I played pretty aggressively (although not well). I never went long without racing someone for the ball, so it was very high intensity.
Nov 7, 2006 11:12 PM # 
bedders:
Ultimately, as a Brit, its football. And yes its a fantastic work out considering i feel worse coming out of a 90 minute game than a 60 minute orienteering course. The 'fartlek' aspect is there admittedly but its more about building aggression and scoring fantastic goals like I do. And I must repeat Soccer doesn't exist. Its football. We invented it, its football.
Nov 8, 2006 2:40 AM # 
Gil:
Football in mud
Nov 8, 2006 6:54 AM # 
jwolff:
Sorry bedders, I'm with you on that one (not having invented it though).
Nov 8, 2006 7:55 AM # 
mrmoosehead:
I play (field) hockey regularly. If you look at my training log, it's made up of whatever I happen to be able to do at the time.
70 minutes of pelting up and down the pitch is a hard sprint session. When doing my running training, I tend to stick to distance and hills as I get all the sprinting I need at hockey training or in the game on saturday.
I only play hockey for fun really, as I'm crap at it. But I can run any other player ragged.
But then I'm not (and never will be) a really serious runner like my Big Bro and S-i-L (ahall and khall), so I just do whatever training I can.
In the end though, the more training I do, the more pie and ale I can have. That's what it's all about, isn't it.
}:8)
Nov 10, 2006 2:37 PM # 
Vector:
Only counts if you were running around studying a map of the soccer field in your hand while playing!

Just kidding - sounds like good cardio and legs workout to me- will contribute to your orienteering performance. That's my take.
Nov 10, 2006 4:20 PM # 
Nev-Monster:
How did a Brit end up with Mr. Moosehead? That name should have been reserved for someone from the Maritimes here in Canada.
I think indoor footie is one of the toughest workouts you can do, there's no where to hide and rest.
Nov 10, 2006 8:11 PM # 
cwalker:
I never understood why the Moosehead brewery was in Saint John but the Mooseheads are the Halifax hockey team. Not that I watch hockey or drink Moosehead
Nov 11, 2006 1:13 PM # 
mrmoosehead:
It's a long story.

I've never seen a moose. Wanted to see one when in New England, but never have. }:8(
Nov 11, 2006 7:06 PM # 
mrmoosehead:
Damn damn damn damn.
Just picked up big ankle sprain playign hockey.
Not big, not clever.
Carried on playing for 15 mins on it as no spare subs left.
Now crocked.
Nov 12, 2006 4:34 AM # 
ebone:
Nothing heals an ankle sprain like pie and ale. ;-)
Nov 12, 2006 8:52 AM # 
mrmoosehead:
Cool. Can you be my doctor please. }:8)
Nov 14, 2006 1:59 AM # 
tdgood:
I play indoor soccer year round and outdoor soccer in the spring/fall. In terms of training, it is good for cross training purposes but I don't think it really helps long term. Soccer tends to build quick reaction, short burst muscles and not the more endurance type ones (my layman vocabulary). In outdoor the general longest run is only about 30 yards with most just being a few steps. Indoor is even shorter.
I general, I find my orienteering improves if I stop playing soccer and just run instead.
Nov 14, 2006 9:31 PM # 
naomi:
but you really play a lot of socce. I'm just doing it sometimes because of fun and just asked myself if and how it improves my running/orienteering.
but as we can see it just seems to depend on the case and the person and the circumstances and so on ... :)

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