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Discussion: JWOC JabberWOCky

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Jun 26, 2024 11:15 AM # 
IF only:
Hi all,
The Junior World Orienteering Championships (JWOC 2024) is coming up soon, so I thought I start a thread for all the non-athletes - (the US team will doubtless be using the US Team blog). This is for the parents, former athletes, opinionated observers and others nations to weigh in.

Since this is for punditry by the non-experts (myself included) JabberWOCky seemed like an appropriate name. For anyone unfamiliar with Lewis Carroll's work, it is described on Wikipedia as follows: "Jabberwocky" is considered one of the greatest nonsense poems written in English.

Before descending into nonsense - I am not promising poetry or greatness - (but perhaps others can provide both), I'll add some links to actual data.
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Jun 26, 2024 11:23 AM # 
IF only:
The JWOC (english) website is here: https://jwoc2024.cz/en/home/

Bulletin 4 - for the details is a PDF available here: https://eventor.orienteering.org/Documents/Event/7...

The schedule of races is as follows:
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Sprint Relay, Monday 1st July 2024
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Sprint, Tuesday 2nd July 2024

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Long Distance, Wednesday 3rd July 2024
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Rest Day, Thursday 4th July - Presumably to accommodate the US TV audience:-)

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Middle Distance, Friday 5th July 2024
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Forest Relay, Saturday 6th July 2024
Jun 26, 2024 11:33 AM # 
IF only:
The Canadians are here: https://orienteering.ca/team-canada/athletes

The US team is here: https://orienteeringusa.org/2024/04/teamusa-announ...

This is the 3rd time (that I know of) that JWOC is being hosted by Czechia. With JWOC 2013 being the most recent.
Are there any memories from athletes who attended JWOC 2013?
It was the first JWOC to feature live TV coverage.

Speaking of live TV coverage, you can follow the JWOC 2024 races here:
https://tv.orienteering.sport/jwoc-2024-all-races
It costs 25Euros for the full week of events, which probably doesn't fully cover their costs, but your subscription would help keep TV coverage going in future.
Jun 26, 2024 11:35 AM # 
IF only:
If tracking GPS routes on maps is more your thing than live TV, or if you are a dual screen multi-tasker - here is the live tracking website:
https://orienteering.sport/event/junior-world-orie...
As of Wed 26th the website is not fully populated yet, but it will be by July
Jun 26, 2024 12:07 PM # 
IF only:
Want to follow some of the US athletes attackpoint logs? Here's the alphabetical list by first name, but listed by profile name:

Mens team:
Ben Brady: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_18968
BConley: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_20669
Ian Dunlap: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_19668
Jackson Rupe: https://www.attackpoint.org/userprofile.jsp/user_2...
Ludwig Hagwall:
MORIenteer: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_19356

Womens team:
hamlet: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_13456
Astridwhite: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_21131
dbuchholtz: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_20660
greta_leonard: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_20251
Paige: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_19756
ZariahZ: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_20149


Coaches:
Evalin B: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_3711
Thompass: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_12488
Sandbo: https://www.attackpoint.org/log.jsp/user_17043
Jun 26, 2024 12:21 PM # 
IF only:
Race Time Schedule (CEST, UTC+2): i.e. 6 hours ahead of East coast time, 9 hours ahead of Pacific time

Monday July, 1st Sprint Relay 16:00 - 17:30
Tuesday July, 2nd Sprint 10:00 - 13:30
Wednesday July, 3rd Long distance 11:00 - 16:30
Friday July, 5th Middle distance 10:45 - 15:45
Saturday July, 6th Relay 8:50 - 13:05
Jun 26, 2024 3:34 PM # 
andreais:
Team photo from 2013
US Team Blog post from 2013 plus a few more posts in the blog before and after this one
Europe training trip 2013
2025 JWOC training will be in Italy, following immediately after JWOC 2024, attended by 6 national juniors and coached by Caroline Sandbo, former JWOC junior herself 2017-2019
Jun 26, 2024 7:04 PM # 
gruver:
For kiwis, race time is 10 hours behind. We're used to the late nights...
Jun 26, 2024 9:59 PM # 
tRicky:
Why don't they let them race with everyone else, don't they like them? Must be hell on the control collecters having to wait for the Kiwis to start (and finish).
Jun 27, 2024 2:37 AM # 
Suzanne:
Go JWOCers! Woohoo!!!
Jun 27, 2024 9:38 AM # 
peggyd:
Ian, thanks for all this! It’s great.
Jun 27, 2024 7:32 PM # 
Sherart77:
Jun 27, 2024 7:32 PM # 
Sherart77:
Thanks Ian this is awesome! See you soon in Plzen! Go team USA!
Jun 30, 2024 9:25 PM # 
IF only:
Cross posting from the US team blog. They have put together a great write up of their training week. Races start tomorrow with the sprint relay up first.
https://usorienteeringteam.wordpress.com/2024/06/3...
Jul 1, 2024 12:50 AM # 
peggyd:
Can you reveal who’s on the relay teams? Or do we need to wait until tomorrow?
Jul 1, 2024 1:02 AM # 
Canadian:
Team Canada info here: https://orienteering.ca/posts/2024-jwoc
Jul 1, 2024 1:07 AM # 
Canadian:
@Peggy the start list is public here: https://eventor.orienteering.org/Events/StartList?...

Canada 1
Robyn Astridge
Alec Le Helloco
Brenden Dooga
Nora Schuessler

Sophie Kent-Purcell is running first on a mixed team.

USA 1
Astrid White
Benjamin Brady
Ludvig Hagwall
Greta Leonard

USA 2
Zariah Zosel
Mori Finlayson Johnecheck
Benjamin Conley
Alexis Marka

USA 3
Paige Suhocki
Ian Dunlap
Jackson Rupe
Danny Buchholz
Jul 1, 2024 7:40 AM # 
Sherart77:
@peggyd - Just posted relay team photos on Facebook.
Jul 1, 2024 8:10 AM # 
biddy:
Is there any free coverage on YouTube for tonight’s sprint relay? Usually JWOC has free broadcast…
Jul 1, 2024 10:09 AM # 
peggyd:
Thanks Jeff!
Jul 1, 2024 10:54 AM # 
OUSA:
TeamUSA Official Sprint Relay Lineup:





Jul 1, 2024 11:31 AM # 
Canadian:
@Biddy, I believe it's only available on a paid basis through the IOF's live site
Jul 1, 2024 12:42 PM # 
jennycas:
Sad face :(

That hasn't been the case in past years...
Jul 1, 2024 2:19 PM # 
tRicky:
Just have to wait for the free GPS tracking on a five minute delay...
Jul 1, 2024 2:47 PM # 
Canadian:
the gps tracking is ahead of the tv broadcast
Jul 1, 2024 3:10 PM # 
Acampbell:
What are all the dsqs for?! Seems like a lot of mp
Jul 1, 2024 3:16 PM # 
andreais:
The DSQs are carry-overs from an MP in an earlier leg
Jul 1, 2024 3:23 PM # 
Acampbell:
Yeah still just seems like a lot
Jul 1, 2024 3:29 PM # 
andreais:
Similar percentage to past 2 years
Jul 1, 2024 7:13 PM # 
Acampbell:
Hmmm still seems high and by some of the top teams. Would be interesting to see where the MPs came from and if planners are being sneaky or issues. But then again if you don’t take a chance and push yourself to the best you can on a relay then you won’t improve and sometimes you end up on the wrong side (from recent experience it sucks but good leaning!)
Looking forward to the next few races!
Jul 1, 2024 7:16 PM # 
blairtrewin:
How did others find the TV coverage? The feed was breaking up a lot for me but I'm not sure if that was a problem at our end or theirs.
Jul 1, 2024 7:36 PM # 
tRicky:
MPs are quite common in sprint relays from people following rather than reading their maps. Didn't look like there were any sneaky closely placed controls on the gps map.
Jul 1, 2024 7:57 PM # 
BorisGr:
The TV coverage was largely unwatchable for me. The commentary was good, but the video very choppy, blurry, and shaky. I've got no problem paying to support the coverage, but I'm hoping for higher quality the rest of the week.
Jul 1, 2024 8:48 PM # 
IF only:
On the topic of runners who mis-punched, I heard that the top GB team had an SI stick that didn’t download at all, and the 1st leg runner had a backup SI stick which recorded all except the first control. So quite painful for them.
Jul 1, 2024 8:49 PM # 
IF only:
The courses also had a lot of close controls with forking so checking codes was critical today
Jul 1, 2024 8:54 PM # 
IF only:
Start list for the individual sprint event tomorrow (Tuesday 2nd): https://eventor.orienteering.org/Events/StartList?...

Brenden for Canada and Ben Brady for USA are some of the earliest starts.
Jul 1, 2024 9:17 PM # 
IF only:
US start times for Individual Sprint:

Bib # Name Start
9 Benjamin Brady 10:08
219 Astrid White 10:18
223 Zariah Zosel 10:22
44 Benjamin Conley 10:43
262 Paige Suhocki 11:01
64 Mori Finlayson Johnecheck 11:03
272 Greta Leonard 11:11
116 Ludvig Hagwall 11:55
344 Danny Buchholz 12:23
145 Ian Dunlap 12:24
346 Alexis Merka 12:25
164 Jackson Rupe 12:43
Jul 1, 2024 9:47 PM # 
Canadian:
From my watching the TV coverage itself was fine. What wasn't was the cameras being used out on course and/or the transmission of said cameras. The feed from on course was barely watchable but as soon as they switched to the arena cameras the video quality was consistently good.
Jul 2, 2024 12:05 AM # 
OUSA:
Jul 2, 2024 12:59 AM # 
wjohn:
Coverage was blurry for me during a lot of the feed. It was still fun to see the arena area. I ended up focusing on the live tracking on another computer so that I could follow all teams. Overall, such good fun to watch and good to see the juniors kick-off the race week! Excited to see more! From the NA side of things, a big shout out to RA and AH for their relay legs!
Jul 2, 2024 8:35 AM # 
blairtrewin:
Broadcast quality much better today.
Jul 2, 2024 11:42 AM # 
khall:
I really liked the stretches when the drone followed a runner for a few legs! Well done to all - looked like physically and mentally demanding courses.
Jul 2, 2024 1:05 PM # 
orianateering:
on the MP front, i also assume that a lot are because the first control was forked and people are unlikely to check their codes and instead just zoom after the mass start or the people who were passed off to right in front of them
Jul 2, 2024 1:51 PM # 
IF only:
JWOC official photo site: https://jwoc2024.zenfoliosite.com/races-1/sprint-r...
Jul 2, 2024 1:54 PM # 
IF only:
JWOC official phots for Sprint today:
https://jwoc2024.zenfoliosite.com/races-1/sprint-1

More US photos coming later on the OUSA site I believe
Jul 2, 2024 4:25 PM # 
cmorse:
TeamUSA photos from yesterday's Sprint Relay are now available for viewing & sharing from the Orienteering USA Facebook page. You can grab the link from the OUSA Results Page or go directly to the JWOC 2024 Album on Facebook.

Additional days media will be added to this album as the week progresses.
Jul 2, 2024 4:52 PM # 
Pink Socks:
This may be a dumb question, but if I pay for the coverage, can I watch them as replays later, or is it only available live?

It would be fun for my daughter and I to watch (especially after buzzing about PNWOF!), but without getting up ridiculously early.
Jul 2, 2024 5:29 PM # 
yurets:
and it's probably gonna be
Jul 2, 2024 7:16 PM # 
Canadian:
@Pink Sicks (?) yes you can watch them as a replay later.
Jul 2, 2024 9:05 PM # 
IF only:
Long course start times for Wednesday:
https://eventor.orienteering.org/Events/StartList?...

Team USA starts:
13 8071635 Ian Dunlap Men 20 (168) 11 490 m 09:24
17 8522615 Jackson Rupe Men 20 (168) 11 490 m 09:32
223 8487117 Alexis Merka Women 20 (144) 9 590 m 09:45
226 8041808 Paige Suhocki Women 20 (144) 9 590 m 09:51
269 8470483 Zariah Zosel Women 20 (144) 9 590 m 11:17
273 8240804 Astrid White Women 20 (144) 9 590 m 11:25
76 8509771 Benjamin Conley Men 20 (168) 11 490 m 11:30
104 8523153 Benjamin Brady Men 20 (168) 11 490 m 12:26
314 8511930 Danny Buchholz Women 20 (144) 9 590 m 12:47
343 8121321 Greta Leonard Women 20 (144) 9 590 m 13:45
145 8174762 Mori Finlayson Johnecheck Men 20 (168) 11 490 m 13:48
147 8261107 Ludvig Hagwall Men 20 (168) 11 490 m 13:52
Jul 3, 2024 1:43 AM # 
wjohn:
@Pink Socks, my daughter (11 years) and I have definitely enjoyed watching it. We also watched the US gymnastics Olympic trials together the other night. Watching the two sporting events in the same few days have offered a good opportunity to talk about sports and the role they take in someone's life, and what 'doing your best means' in different contexts! Enjoy!
Jul 4, 2024 1:53 AM # 
gruver:
I'll sign up for the paid service when there have been a couple of years with no reported glitches. Meantime, I do my own cheering. Esp when one of my dots hits the front:-))
Jul 4, 2024 5:52 AM # 
IF only:
Instagram post from JWOC https://www.instagram.com/stories/jwoc2024/3403904...
Jul 4, 2024 4:40 PM # 
IF only:
July 5th - Middle Distance Start times are posted:
https://eventor.orienteering.org/Events/StartList?...

Here's Team USA:
Bib number Name Course length Start time
207 Alexis Merka 3 830 m 9:13
8 Ian Dunlap 4 830 m 9:14
12 Jackson Rupe 4 830 m 9:22
245 Zariah Zosel 3 830 m 10:29
252 Astrid White 3 830 m 10:43
288 Greta Leonard 3 830 m 11:55
103 Benjamin Brady 4 830 m 12:24
107 Mori Finlayson Johnecheck 4 830 m 12:32
312 Paige Suhocki 3 830 m 12:43
133 Benjamin Conley 4 830 m 13:24
338 Danny Buchholz 3 830 m 13:35
139 Ludvig Hagwall 4 830 m 13:36
Jul 4, 2024 4:44 PM # 
IF only:
Today, the supporters out here in Czechia got to run on the Czechia Tour events on the same map as the long distance for the JWOC athletes yesterday.
It was great to go on the map that we were watching GPS dots on the day before, and have some of the same or similar control locations.

That said, I will say that for my course the routes and course design was very different - it shows that the Czech's understand the nuances of good course design that we could be running on the same map (with 1:10,000 scale thank goodness:-) but have much easier and safer routes - I had a trail option on all but the shortest legs, and very little climb compared to the JWOC courses - and those hills are severe. We also had ideal running temps - cool and dry, vs. the rain and humidity yesterday. All in all, a fun way to spend the 4th.
Jul 4, 2024 5:28 PM # 
tRicky:
Sounds similar to my experience of the public courses at last year's Czech World Cup. I ran my long course that was challenging for my age group knowing the elites used a different area (same finish) and when I saw their courses afterwards I was gobsmacked at just how difficult it looked. I'd have been out there for hours if I'd run on it!
Jul 5, 2024 6:03 AM # 
IF only:
Weather here looks great for orienteering today. Slightly cloudy with temps in the 60s to low 70s. Excited for some fast racing out there.
Jul 5, 2024 6:05 AM # 
IF only:
Mens race is 4.8km and Womens race is 3.8km both with 25min expected winning times. So fast forest terrain for the middle distance, but with tricky contour features.
Jul 5, 2024 10:40 AM # 
Canadian:
Looks like fun courses today!
Jul 5, 2024 10:40 AM # 
Canadian:
Great run by Nora on the Canadian Team!
Jul 5, 2024 4:17 PM # 
IF only:
Results from the Middle races today:
Mens:
https://oresults.eu/events/1142?class=Men+20
Womens:
https://oresults.eu/events/1142?class=Women%2020

Team USA:
https://oresults.eu/events/1142?view=Club&club...

Team Canada:
https://oresults.eu/events/1142?view=Club&club...
Jul 5, 2024 9:17 PM # 
IF only:
Forest Relays tomorrow!

USA teams:

Mori Finlayson-Johnecheck
Ben Brady
Ludvig Hagwall

Ian Dunlap
Jackson Rupe
Ben Conley

Astrid White
Paige Shocks
Alex Merka

Danny Buchholz
Greta Leonard
Zariah Zosel
Jul 5, 2024 9:38 PM # 
IF only:
All the relay teams:
https://eventor.orienteering.org/Events/StartList?...
Jul 5, 2024 9:57 PM # 
Sandy:
Thanks for posting all these links. Really makes it so much easier to following along.
Jul 6, 2024 2:41 AM # 
cmpblla:
I hope everyone has a good race in the relay tomorrow! Go USA!
Jul 6, 2024 10:12 AM # 
gordhun:
Watching the live tracking of the JWOC ladies. Is it the same for others that there is no map in the bakground for leg 3?
Jul 7, 2024 5:58 AM # 
gruver:
You got the 1960 JWOC by mistake Gord. All compass and pacing then.
Jul 11, 2024 1:18 PM # 
Jagge:
I guess this is not entirely wrong thread for these post race route choice anaysis videos (just screen capture videos from regular routegadget with voice over):

JWOC, men long
https://youtu.be/m7JuISc832Q

JWOC, women middle
https://youtu.be/oGCoNzf70C8
Jul 12, 2024 9:00 PM # 
smittyo:
We will all miss Clinton terribly. He was a joy to work with and found great joy in his work.

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