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Discussion: Nationals in NewPort Richie

in: USA Air Force JROTC Orienteering Championships (Feb 24–25 - New Port Richey, FL, US)

Nov 30, 2023 8:18 PM # 
Irish Alanna:
Do we have a recommended hotel with preferred rates? Thank you
Nov 30, 2023 8:19 PM # 
Irish Alanna:
Also, any idea of terrain in New Port Richie? We are coming from GA. Thanks SO much!
Nov 30, 2023 9:51 PM # 
@Irish Alanna - this may cause confusion, I assume you may be referring to the USA Air Force JROTC Championships?
You may want to adjust the title to reflect that - as your Q is not referring to any of the traditional/official "Nationals"
Dec 1, 2023 12:22 AM # 
Is there orienteering outside Air Force??
Dec 1, 2023 4:06 AM # 
Andrea +1
Dec 1, 2023 6:14 PM # 

Bear in mind when you say 'any of the traditional/official nationals' that the events you are thinking of are traditional to much of the community om AP and are official OUSA National events but not necessarily traditional to Irish Alanna who seems to come to Orienteering from a different background.

Let's not negate her experience!
Dec 1, 2023 6:37 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Up through 2023, the Air Force JROTC Orienteering Championships were held concurrently at the O-USA Junior Nationals event. So an Air Force JROTC student would be right in calling it "Nationals" because it had always been held at "Nationals".

Starting in 2024, the Air Force JROTC programs will be organizing their own separate national championship events, the first of which is in Florida. (The Navy JROTC programs already have their own separate national championship event).
Dec 1, 2023 8:05 PM # 
I did absolutely not mean to negate Alanna's experience, but rather by changing the title to the actual event title would maybe help in finding useful answers to the quest for good accommodations deals. A second post into the "Events Discussion" section might be useful.
Dec 1, 2023 9:22 PM # 
"Nationals" also doesn't mean the same thing to the Australians on here.
Dec 1, 2023 10:52 PM # 
Irish Allanna you can direct all questions about the AFJROTC Nationals to
I can tell you that yes we have a preferred hotel that I will be meeting with Monday to work out best rates. We also have the support of Florida's Sports Coast, the tourism marketing arm of the local county, Pasco. So they are well aware of the event.
We are also looking for restaurants in New Port Richey willing to offer group discounts.
Dec 2, 2023 1:51 AM # 
I am with Canadian. It is an obvious lack of sensitivity of Andreais.
Air Force pilots should be welcomed and embraced by orienteers, except of course toxic males (like Topper Harley) . Same as Canadian truckers.
Dec 2, 2023 6:31 AM # 
How many nationals in Newport Richie are there?
Dec 2, 2023 10:06 AM # 
How hard is it to just add "AFJROTC " to the title?
Dec 2, 2023 1:26 PM # 
This got out of hand. I didn't mean to derail the conversation nor do I think Andrea was being insensitive but it could come across that way.
Dec 2, 2023 1:26 PM # 
Dec 5, 2023 11:57 AM # 
Australian on here, seizing the long-awaited opportunity to ask what on earth does JROTC stand for?
Dec 5, 2023 2:38 PM # 
Dec 5, 2023 4:35 PM # 
ROTC is a university-level program wherein students get their tuition paid by the military, and upon graduation become military officers with a commitment of (I think) three years of service. Available at certain universities, and there's training that takes place during the school year and during at least one summer. JROTC, in contrast, is for high-school students and has similar training, but as far as I know, neither tuition assistance nor any military commitment.

Or in short: Junior Reserve Officer's Training Corps, the high-school Army* club.

*Or Navy, Marines, or Air Force. There does not appear to be a Space Force JROTC. Yet.
Dec 5, 2023 5:21 PM # 
Translation to Strine: 'cadets.'
Dec 5, 2023 6:38 PM # 
I've noticed that when asking for specific information about an event that is listed on Attackpoint, it is most helpful if you post your question(s) from within the event listing, as @andreais suggested.

In this case, use to the link below to go to the Attackpoint event listing (USA Air Force JROTC Orienteering Championships) and on the upper right hand side there is the "Discussion" section with an option to "post" your message.

Then if you post a question about hotels or terrain in New Port Richey, it shows up under the Event Discussion section, not under Orienteering Topics.

Posting questions to a specific event Discussion is targeted and helpful, even more so on an international forum when asking about a sport that offers numerous national events.

It's a learning curve. We are here to help you.

Hopefully someone will respond to the terrain question.
Dec 5, 2023 7:03 PM # 
@IrishAlanna, the event page has information about the terrain, with photos. Take a look there.

If you visit the link BrianJohnson posted above to the AP event listing, you will see there is a direct link to the URL I posted above. Those are the best places to get info, plus asking gordhun.
Dec 5, 2023 7:07 PM # 
@JJ - Last year, 10 AFJROTC units became Space Force units.

Terrain-wise, Gord would probably be best equipped to answer. He can tell if my comments which follow apply specifically to the NPR area maps.

Most of the Florida maps that I have been on have very subtle contour relief. I enjoy the challenge of identifying the low hills and sinkhole depressions. The soil is generally sandy but there can be marshy areas. Forest running is generally pretty firm, but some trails can be loose / soft sand. Lots of pine forest, which is pretty open and runnable; greener vegetation often has thorns and vines; dark green should definitely be avoided. There are very few, if any, boulders and rock features. A unique feature of many Florida maps is a green dot, sometimes called the "FLO boulder". This is a clump of palmetto - a cluster of agave-like plants with spiky leaves, and visible from a distance due to their bright green which contrasts with much of the other forest-floor vegetation.
Dec 6, 2023 12:15 AM # 
Mike's description of Florida terrrain is a good generalization. Terrain types change as one gets north of Gainesville.
Also the forest types Mike is missing are Oak hammocks which tend to have massive oak trees and organic soils that can be wet. And the one that happens frequent;y at Starkey Wilderness Preserve, the site of February's AFJROTC champs is a dry land hardwood where the trees are not particularly tall but undergrowth is mercifully sparse.
All of this information and much more will be coming in a January bulletin to the registered teams. (Speaking of registered teams there are now twice as many teams registered as attended the previous best attended AFJROTC national O championships.)
Dec 6, 2023 1:04 AM # 
Lots of pine forest, which is pretty open and runnable

Not the southern longleaf pine forest in the Gulf coast/ Florida region.
This kind of forest is too sparse, it allows too much sun to get to the ground, hence it is overgrown at the bottom to the extent of being practically unusable for orienteering, except when there are numerous trails or artifacts as in a park. The best bet for something runnable is hardwood.
Dec 6, 2023 2:27 AM # 
So.....if there's a Space Force there a Coast Guard JROTC? And knowing there's a Coast Guard there a Space Force Academy?
Dec 7, 2023 11:48 AM # 
Bringing the discussion around full circle, information about the event hotel, location, pricing and special arrangements for teams have now been sent to the registered teams.
Feb 8, 2024 6:26 AM # 

As far as I know, there is no direct equivalent of JROTC for the Coast Guard. That is because the U.S. Coast Guard is not under the Department of Defense during peacetime. The U.S. Coast Guard is under the Department of Homeland Security currently, and it was under the Department of Transportation during peacetime prior to 2002.

And yes, there is a Coast Guard Academy, as, in the past, the Coast Guard has been a major assistant to the Navy during wartime and officership has been crucial during those times.

For right now, there is no Space Force Academy, as it is a sub-branch of the Department of the Air Force and still relatively very new. Cadets at USAFA have the option to commission either into the Air Force or Space Force, just as Midshipmen at the U.S. Naval Academy have the option to commission into either the Navy or the Marine Corps (there is no U.S. Marine Corps Academy).

I don't foresee any development of either a Marine Corps or Space Force Academy (separate from USAFA or USNA) in the near future, considering the last time this happened. The Air Force was created in 1907 as part of the Army Signal Corps, established as a separate branch/DOD Department in 1947, and its respective Service Academy was established in 1954.
Feb 9, 2024 4:58 AM # 
Thanks Jake. Love this info. (I've not googled/wiki'd it)I thought the Marine Corps Academy shared Quantico with the FBI Academy? But this was told to me, I didn't check it out.
Feb 9, 2024 1:10 PM # 
IMO, orienteering would be very popular in the Police Academy.
Feb 11, 2024 1:20 AM # 
@Guisborough1 I had no clue about this, but that is actually the Marine Corps University, which is a school for active duty Marines as well as (probably) some active duty Army and Navy special warfare personnel. The subjects are geared mainly towards warfighting and military stuff rather than your English, Math(s), History, etc. The students in this University are Marines who have probably been active duty for several years but have a long way to go still in their career.

In the Service Academies (Army, Navy, and Air Force, from what I can verify), it acts as a regular college with military training built into it, just regarding the education aspect. So it does include your English, Math(s), History, Chemistry, Military Science, and stuff, but not just exclusively military education. The people enrolled at the Service Academies are young adults ages 17-26 who plan to commission INTO active duty as an officer at the end of their 4 years at the Academy. However, there are quite a few Cadets/Midshipmen who come in with a prior enlisted military background.

Also, yes, there is an FBI training location at Quantico, in which new agents are required to go to for their own training purposes, but that's not something that the average person would/should be too well aware about.

@yurets Interestingly enough, one of my two main training spots for orienteering is an expansive area near a Police Department Firing Range. Even when I am a few kilometers away on the other side of the mountain, I can hear the shots booming loudly.
Feb 11, 2024 1:47 AM # 
@Irish Alanna

On top of the information that @JanetT mentioned for the event website, it does say that you can virtually study information about the park.

Here is what I used to do when I was the orienteering commander for my JROTC unit (where my respective JROTC Nationals was in Florida): I would look for any copy of the map that I could possibly find. First would be public orienteering maps/samples, second would be Google Aerial/3D maps, and third would be Park Trail Maps. With all of these, you can get a very good idea of the terrain of an orienteering location. Unfortunately, the Google Aerial view might not be the most helpful for determining ground terrain if there is very thick overhead tree cover.

@gordhun please tell me to delete this if this isn't allowed.
Feb 11, 2024 2:32 AM # 
Cheers Jake, love this info. As part of my past life I dealt with the coaches from these services. But I've always wondered why I never came across USMC/FBI academies when I'd been told they existed. I wonder if Langley have an Academy. Coast Guard always seemed pretty cool.
NB. Marine and FBI sound like post grad academies.
Feb 11, 2024 4:20 AM # 
when I am a few kilometers away

Who are you Jake? An American would have said "a few miles away"

there is an FBI training location at Quantico, in which new agents are required to go to for their own training purposes, but that's not something that the average person would/should be too well aware about.

We've seen it:
Feb 11, 2024 11:49 PM # 
@yurets when I'm saying "a few kilometers away" instead of "a few miles away", that is because the farthest proper distance from the range (on the other side of the mountain) that I have explored was exactly 3.1 km, or 1.926 miles away. I could say "just a couple freedom units away (but not quite)" or I could use metric like everyone else in orienteering and say "a few kilometers away". I guess nobody would correct me for being wrong, but I figured I might as well be ~technically correct~.

On the first question, I'm just Jake. Sounds American enough, right? No need to dive any deeper :D

Also, all three of you, me, and @Guisborough1 have actually competed at the same event on the same course before. Just found that bit to be interesting.

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