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Discussion: Trimtex at the Olympics

in: Orienteering; General

Jul 25, 2021 11:56 PM # 
EricW:
Anyone else get a kick out of seeing Trimtex's influential gold medal presence at the Olympics?
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Jul 26, 2021 12:00 AM # 
blairtrewin:
I assume this is a reference to the Norwegian triathlon uniforms? (which the Australian TV commentators seemed less than impressed by).
Jul 26, 2021 12:49 AM # 
kissy:
I *just* went down a rabbit-hole while watching the triathlon, trying to figure out what was going on with those uniforms. And then saw they were from Trimtex! Blummenfelt spoke a little bit about the research that went into them in his post-race interview.
Jul 26, 2021 1:51 AM # 
EricW:
Blair, I'm guessing the Australian TV commentators were even less impressed by the Pomme (sp?) and Kiwi in the Silver and Bronze positions.
Jul 26, 2021 2:12 AM # 
bbrooke:
Uhh, wow.

Image.
Jul 26, 2021 2:20 AM # 
jjcote:
It's basically a very sheer white suit (for optimum heat dissipation) over the equivalent of an oldskool Speedo swimsuit.
Jul 26, 2021 2:33 AM # 
Bash:
Oh geez, I'm glad to learn there was a reason for that! I called it "Superman doing a triathlon" but hey, I can't argue with gold.
Jul 26, 2021 2:41 AM # 
mikeminium:
And there are those who still think old school orienteering "pyjamas" looked weird??
Jul 26, 2021 2:50 AM # 
tRicky:
Be grateful he's wearing something under that white suit.
Jul 26, 2021 2:53 AM # 
bbrooke:
I'm very curious to see the women's version...
Jul 26, 2021 3:47 AM # 
Bash:
Lol, turns out I wasn't the only one who thought of Superman although I prefer someone else's tag line, "Inspired by Captain Underpants".
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article...

Our friend Barrie Shepley was one of the CBC commentators. When he said, "It isn't pretty" about Blummenfelt's final sprint, we were thinking he meant his running form but we'll have to ask him what he really meant! :)
Jul 26, 2021 4:01 AM # 
jjcote:
To be clear, I'm pretty sure the speedo part is sewn into the outer garment.

He definitely didn't have the smooth running form of the other medalists, by comparison, he was flailing. Be he sure was fast, through brute force.
Jul 26, 2021 4:54 AM # 
Bash:
Exactly. He wasn't moving as efficiently as they were but he was so strong and so motivated that it didn't matter.
Jul 26, 2021 8:02 AM # 
graeme:
... and he managed a really high quality scandi-flop at the finish.
@EricW. : 'pomme' is spelt "Englishman"
Jul 26, 2021 8:30 AM # 
tRicky:
I think pomme is an apple.
Jul 26, 2021 12:01 PM # 
robplow:
oldskool Speedo swimsuit

Those are called budgie smugglers in Australian.
Jul 26, 2021 12:03 PM # 
jjcote:
I'd heard the term before, but it appears to have more of a backstory than I realized. Pom is short for "pommy", that much is clear. It's likely to be related to "pomegranate", possibly because those arriving from England had red cheeks from sun exposure, or maybe through rhyming slang to Pummy Grant/Jimmy Grant/immigrant. Another theory cites the supposed acronym Prisoner Of Mother England. Most sources say the origin is unclear.

"Pomme" is definitely "apple" in French.
Jul 26, 2021 12:07 PM # 
robplow:
POME is supposedly an acronym for Prisoner of Mother England - ie a pejorative term for new convict arrivals.

these days the spelling is usually "pommy" I think, but most Australians would not say pommy - it is generally shortened to just "pom".
Jul 26, 2021 12:15 PM # 
robplow:
On further investigation it seems the Prisoner of Mother England theory is BS (although it is a widely believed theory - the only I had ever heard until today) .

The Australian National University linguistics dept says it comes from pomegranate

https://slll.cass.anu.edu.au/centres/andc/meanings...
Jul 26, 2021 2:17 PM # 
EricW:
...and here I thought "Englishman" was spelled something like b-l-o-o...
Jul 26, 2021 2:36 PM # 
jjcote:
We need a definitive answer from djalkiri.
Jul 26, 2021 3:28 PM # 
gordhun:
And here I thought that English (the country) people were known as limeys, a term earned for their habit of putting lime juice in their beer when in very hot climates.
Pommeys/ Pommies, that's a new one for me.
Jul 26, 2021 7:28 PM # 
haywoodkb:
On long sea voyages, British sailors ran out of fresh fruits and vegetables. This lack of vitamin C could cause scurvy. Carrying lime juice aboard ship kept them healthy.
Jul 26, 2021 7:58 PM # 
rlindzon:
"I'm very curious to see the women's version"

Not long to wait if any women are wearing it because the start is at 5:30 pm EST.
Jul 26, 2021 7:59 PM # 
graeme:
Carrying lime juice aboard ship kept them healthy
apple juice and pomegranate juice too?
Anyway, the word you're after is sassanach. Possibly beginning with b-l-o-o-...
Jul 26, 2021 9:20 PM # 
djalkiri:
@jj I can’t do better than the ANDC, though jimmygrant doesn’t fit the regular pattern of rhyming slang (the “rhyme” part is too long, it should be just the ant bit, not grant); and I’d want independent evidence for the pronunciation of pomegranate as “pommygrant”.
Jul 27, 2021 1:21 AM # 
jennycas:
'owyergoin' mate - orright? Wouldyer like a pommygrant? They're a bugger to spit the seeds out though if yer got a thirst drier than a Pommy's bath towel :)
Jul 27, 2021 3:50 AM # 
robplow:
though jimmygrant doesn’t fit the regular pattern of rhyming slang

You can be pretty sure the Australian born people who came up with 'jimmygrant' were not too worried about the exact rules of rhyming slang.
Jul 27, 2021 9:18 AM # 
Terje Mathisen:
I read a Norwegian interview with Kristian B after the event where he stated that (after having won and lost a few sprint finishes in world cup events over the last couple of years) he knew that both Alex Yee and Hayden Wilde had better running form and would outsprint him, so instead he had to try to pull away with one loop to go, and at that point neither of them dared/managed to follow him.
Looking at the finish video it seems obvious that the main difference, beside that running form, was that Kristian has that Petter Northug style ability to go absolutely all in, just collapsing over the finish line while the other two medalists seemed like they had more in the tank.
Jul 27, 2021 1:56 PM # 
Terje Mathisen:
BTW, just after I posted my previous message my son came into my (home) office and told me that he ran with Kristian on one of his 10 k training runs while he lived in Bergen. The key point was that KB is an almost pure training talent, i.e. he can tolerate enormous loads without breaking down with injuries.
He used to be a swimmer who would train as as many hours as the swimming team was allowed to be in the pool, then when that wasn't enough for him he would run as well to put in more hours. With that background switching to tri wasn't that big a step, except basically nobody did tri in Norway at the time.
Jul 27, 2021 2:29 PM # 
jjcote:
The reporting here said that his training volume is way more than anyone else's. That's how you get to the top!
Jul 27, 2021 5:36 PM # 
Terje Mathisen:
@jjcote: Yeah, he has been at 1400 hours/year for quite a while now, this is what I meant by having the talent to handle those volumes without breakage/injuries.
This is 300+ hours more than the Norwegian xc team puts in...
Jul 27, 2021 5:46 PM # 
jjcote:
Just adopt his training regimen. You'll either win, or (more likely) die.
Aug 3, 2021 6:41 PM # 
Oleg:
Orienteer from Finland Topi Raitanen was 8-th in steeplechase
https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/olympic-games/en/r...
Aug 3, 2021 6:52 PM # 
eddie:
Nice! I think this is him on WOO. Raced at WOC 2016 + 2017.
Aug 3, 2021 7:16 PM # 
EricW:
His sister was an exchange student hosted by DVOA's Mark and Mary Frank.
See http://www.dvoa.org/people/eboard2/index.php.
Thanks for posting, I hadn't come across the results yet.
Aug 3, 2021 7:55 PM # 
eddie:
Oh, I remember her - a visiting junior. That was some time ago. Looks like Topi is her "little" brother :) Saw the race on NBC's US national broadcast coverage late last night but didn't make the connection.
Aug 3, 2021 8:02 PM # 
gordhun:
Reminds me of Anders Garderud and Kjell Erik Stahl, greaat crossover athletes from Sweden and from another century.
Garderud , a favorite in that year's steeplechase, pretty well single handedly caused several hundred Swedish orienteers to come to a Canadian multi-day orienteering event back in 1976.
Aug 3, 2021 9:11 PM # 
fossil:
Were they following?
Aug 3, 2021 9:44 PM # 
lost:
I have long wondered whether Marcel Tschopp is the only person to run at WOC and at the Olympics in the same year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Tschopp
Aug 3, 2021 10:05 PM # 
tRicky:
I've watched the Olympics whilst at a WMTBOC. Does that count?
Aug 4, 2021 5:11 AM # 
blairtrewin:
Of course, such a combination wouldn't have been possible from 1980 to 2000 inclusive as WOC did not take place in Olympic years during that period. If I recall correctly, Carsten Jorgensen (who was a regular Danish WOC runner at the time) qualified for the 10000m for the 2000 Olympics but missed out because of injury.
Aug 18, 2021 12:43 AM # 
simmo:
You'd hope the athletics singlets weren't made by Trimtex.
Aug 18, 2021 8:31 AM # 
jSh:
He's got a puma on is shirt and a tiger in his... uhm...
Aug 18, 2021 2:18 PM # 
LOST_Richard:
I find the safety pins and numbers for the athletes quite bizarre, surely there is a more elegant system for identifying the athletes
Aug 19, 2021 12:55 AM # 
tRicky:
At least their bibs are unlikely to get snagged on branches, trees, etc. Perhaps that's why orienteering will never be an Olympic sport.

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