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Discussion: NEW advance HVO Score Sept. Fort Lee NJ event soon to be approved and posted to the HVO schedule (sh

in: HVO Night-O at Ft Lee Historic Park (Sep 26 - Fort Lee, NJ, US)

Aug 28, 2020 2:44 AM # 
Hello all Attack point followers, This is a Preliminary Heads UP Announcement that precede's the Formal posting to the HVO club schedule (soon). The permit is approved (Thanks Jeremy!(, The ED and CS Bob Rycharski is ready, The NJ in USA ... forest is ready, some of the local NJ deer think its weird that flagging tape is seen amongst the trails and cliffs, and the park is underused and wanting hikers to attend if you'r in the NJ area. Fort Lee is a historic recreation of old revolutionary earthworks, with fantastic views of NYC and the adjacent GW Bridge. So Keep your eyes pealed for the new HVO hiking event, Fort Lee Park Night-O, Score oh!, A Beginners Score O 1 hour to find the lot. Good luck, and I hope you can pass the word, warn-o, attendance will be pre-registration only and limited to TBA number. Once the permit headcount "limit" is reached (please remember this is for Oj to Yellow level O hikers, no advanced controls, sorry, maybe next year ...), a Wait list will be kept and if someone drops out the next person will be invited to attend. Keep your O training shoes ready, HVO is BACK in town with a new event! be Good. Bob R (ED)
Aug 28, 2020 4:07 AM # 
Fort Lee in the Czech Republic? That really is an amazing "historic recreation".
Aug 28, 2020 9:24 AM # 
relative newcomer to posting events, is there a tutorial on posting even if old? ok update, i should have gone to events page,and added the event page - entering that first, its not clear the order is important ... before hunting and peckin the presser and general posting. my bad! before announcing this
Aug 28, 2020 11:57 AM # 
Aug 28, 2020 2:22 PM # 
"please remember this is for Oj to Yellow level"

Oj? Do you mean "0" like beginner? "j" for junior? Or is that some sort of typo? I assume you meant "white to yellow"
Aug 28, 2020 10:09 PM # 
I assumed he meant orange, as in 'orange juice.'
Sep 13, 2020 1:40 AM # 
OJ means orange level. a majority of the (32) night O controls on the fort lee score-O map are white and yellow beginner controls (to warn advanced runners that the park is a small map/site and also on a palisade 75 ft or greater cliff(s)- many!, and i do not want anyone to fall or get caught in a bad climb area in the dark [park has small cliff warning wire/post fences]), about 4 controls are orange degree of difficulty to find and are off trail, where one has to find the best route or know from the clues that one may only see the reflective tape if one deduces why one is near say a certain cliff near a trail, but the o flag has limited visibility as it tucked in say the lower inside part (corner cliff) of that cliff so that to a novice you might walk right past one O flag as its flag down low. but quite visible if you are right above it... enjoy. Bob R .
ps this map has laid dorment after a trail and road revision in 2013 (I was the field checker), so its long overdue for a Hvo Orienteering event. the basic info is now posted and in 2 days or less pre-registration hot keys will hopefully be activated by the registrar.
Sep 23, 2020 10:09 AM # 
hello all New Jersey, East Penn, and Lower NY/Hudson Valley extreme-O hard map + compass hiker types. Fort Lee Score O and for beginners A yellow course is available. What I have done in August and up to 16 sept was to design a neat Orienteering Score-O night-O course for this hilly and rocky forested park. Last week [I stayed to dusk] doing final checking, and the the lights on the George Washington Bridge turned on. Unique photo's taken, and I helped snap a family picture of a 4 some with old but shiny GW bridge in the background. Memories, wonderous, pre-covid normal site-seeing activities ...
So please consider to attend and form a car pool group or Go hans solo (get that wookie out of the way, I can't see the next ... O flag reflective stripe/strip ... use the Force, luke") Anyway, - So registration is a bit light, if you are coming Don"t Delay, I did the due diligence on the course design, map although 6 years old is mosty /OK, I challenge you! ... O old pros to a memory O concept, for a Hot Grill clifton nj $10 gift certificate, !1: find the control with the missing large secondary map symbol, find a very obvious otherwise missing rocky knoll, find a map missing 3/4 meter tall obvious rock bolder, and lastly which control, hint a L cliff control, has a mia symbol 2 meters tall rocky object nearby but is missin from the map (probably so a future course setter can't use (illegal side that is) its eastern side as a hidden control; description, 2 steep if you slipped ...)
Anyway, good map, good clues made, good meet crew (more help at start appreciated all offers, even control pick up at end), all we need is for you local night crawlers whom inhabit this attack point social electrons board - to come for a great but dark O hike/run, as the moon is on the dark side currently and waxing phase of nights/moon, approx 40% of full on 26 sept (quite dark just past 1st quarter at the O meet). Lets see how I can test your "night Orienteering" skills at the upcoming Hvo night O at Fort Lee park in NJ. Good luck Gracie and Ricks out there, go sign up, wish thr Ringoes were still hiking, I miss there smiling kent/caroline ... support at my way past O meets. be seeing you in the WOODs! bob R
Sep 24, 2020 12:18 PM # 
Reminder to all that registration for this event closes at 8pm this evening. Hope you can make it!
Sep 24, 2020 11:59 PM # 
We extended it to tomorrow (Fri), also 8pm
Sep 25, 2020 9:33 PM # 
O Flags at the ready, WCOC borrowed White Refectors added, maps at the ready, Bag boy is ready, No Water, (Bring your own), E punch computer and e units at the ready, all I ask now is a Fair Wind and Calm Hudson River seas, and a Star to steer by ... Ready Set, Still some time to Register and GO to this event, we have a respectable VARIED Runner crew (20 or so attempts/sign ups - and growing) to Challenge Steven and Joe and John And Nadia and others on Score O map, and a new group of Yellow hikers to challenge the Yellow shorter Course. Come over and I would like to know when the registration time is available whom has and has not visited Fort Lee Park before. One last Tip, DO NOT run at speed on the itchy balls, aka round 2 inch round - seeds near some controls, on a slope you might take a spill (if the chipmunks hav'nt eaten them that is: a chewing exercise, so I do not recommend you try to eat the Gum Ball seeds yourselves...) , only noticed at 2 controls. Otherwise, enJoy the Night O tomorrow! I enjoyed working on the Permit with Jeremy and the (both) course design(s). And remember to keep your extremeties and fingers away from the registrar, "It" Bites! CS Bob R
Sep 25, 2020 11:50 PM # 
41 folks signed up. Ten minutes left to register. What are you waiting for?
Sep 26, 2020 12:52 AM # 
looking forward to see a few familiar faces.
Sep 27, 2020 4:32 AM # 
Hey Great turnout for such a local orienteering event at Forty Lee park, and such a relatively short period of active online registration. weather warm 80ish, no wind, a skunk (I kid you knot, Kark F took its picture and befriended it so no smells detected around Karls clothes, which is good)
but thanks for the patience, my slugabed course setter (me) made us start a we bit late, and we and mairead Y sorted out the switched 2nd and 3rd o flags on beginner O yellow course, opps!, feet don't fail me I phoned in START open command - from number 118 the "thicket", thank god for modern cell phones. Guy did a great job as registrar, keseniya helped with beginner training, other peoples helped with control out placement , Una Y, thanks, i was near exhausted with 6 laggard controls to still attach to real control sites. I need to drink more redd bull or bosco at least before course setting day. we will post the results by wednesday nite or sooner, both the Event Dir. and registrar are tuckered out... be seeing you next time in the woods. ps I especially like all kind words about my score course, I really like that we "40" ... braved the Covid cellar or hideout syndrome a bit and got out in a Park , and socially distanted ... out in the great OUTDOORS! good nite Gracie... good nite Guy
Sep 27, 2020 2:20 PM # 
The reemergence of John & Karl Fredrickson was a highlight of the near-reunion-like atmosphere. Nope, social distancing was not in abundance, though use of face-coverings was pretty much universal (did learn that sweat makes a regular disposable mask rather suffocating)

Need to give credit to OCIN's QCARS series for providing a model for covid-era, local event pre-registration. Unless I'm mistaken, this was the first time HVO used full pre-reg for a local event.

I learned that EventReg's NRE-centric structure makes many aspects of local event pre-reg challenging -- especially given HVO's heavily stratified fee structure (member/non-member, junior/adult, and semi-per-person group fees). There was some grumbling about the resultant complexity ("Additional Selections" were used extensively), but it was pretty much unavoidable (IMO).

EditAdd: The Score-O "mass start", which is best described as an untimed, (very) short interval, punching start, was inspired by the (usually) annual USCMOC (Corn Maze O-Champs) Night-O "mass" start.
Sep 27, 2020 4:23 PM # 
Make sure the feedback on EventReg gets back to Vido. The system was not originally conceived to accommodate all the nuances of club level meets, but efforts are being made to streamline and make it easier for local implementation. But the feedback needs to make its way back to be constructive.
Sep 27, 2020 5:59 PM # 
Having used EventReg, and its predecessors, since 2007, I'm constantly compiling (at least mentally) a LOT of feedback...
Sep 27, 2020 10:18 PM # 
And GuyO has already had a lot of input into the Junior Champs EventReg structure. :-)
Sep 28, 2020 6:52 AM # 
For better or worse... :-D
Sep 28, 2020 6:17 PM # 
John Fredrickson sighting?! Holy crap! Tell me more.
Sep 28, 2020 11:05 PM # 
How old is that guy now? He must be nearly old enough to vote, I'd think.
Sep 28, 2020 11:26 PM # 
Hvo Fort lee 26 sept score O - Night O results now posted at the Hvo club website, results page. Enjoy. "youth" beats old crow experts. great show ...
Sep 29, 2020 6:45 AM # 
Ft Lee results

Splits coming after we figure out the best (ie, easiest) way to present them using Or data.
Sep 29, 2020 12:44 PM # 
Looks like a lot of people with plenty of time left missed 10, 20, or 30 points. Curious to hear more about that. Was there some "trick" to getting all the points? Were some controls just easily overlooked?
Oct 2, 2020 11:15 PM # 
To answer your question Mike I would say it was a combination of dark, brightness, speed, eyes and age. For me at least.
Oct 3, 2020 11:22 AM # 
hi mike, no, tricks ,... the night controls were set in a large part out in the open, but about 4 controls were set in the less-than-visible from the nearest path attack point, to plug this Bul. board. so for example, the white and yellow controls were set on the "top" of the feature if I, ... the cs, thought that the rocks, slope terrain, or rocky reentrant was a ankle biter or hazardous for beginners when it was dark. but at least 3 cliffs were lets say, reversed sloped, i.e. when viewed from the trail, you might see the rock top of the cliff, but the flag was set on the bottommost foot and to boot tucked in a corner, there were many non linear cliffs [L or Z shaped] in fort lee park and i could not resist placing the flag and refector in clear "sight" from the downhill approach, but 75% hidden from the unobsevant O novice (reflectors not shining much lite back in that case) from the top except if you stood on the approx 5 foot tall clifts top part (look straight down there she be). A catch for the unwary.
This was a hilltop city park with moderate climb and some broken but some lit lampposts, on the Hudson palisades, but you know the challenge to the course sette; make it safe (for night hiking), mix of white, yellow and orange controls, but throw in a few hard to spot flags to present a small gotch ya challenge. controls 131, 124 and no. 125 i believe were the low lying reverse slope flagged zingers. there it was , aside that type ant flag crawler control, at least two red type experts over ran N.O flag #102, a rather easy overun control say from #3 flag the stream east end, they ran too far about 200 feet to the park driveway fence corner and found no night O flag, so both told me at the end. they figured a bad approach to a diff corner fence streetside? (no street facing flags that area), the actual flag next the the cross over bridge next to the George Wash bridge route 95 to NYC, at the designated fence corner. they figured it out but added est. 150 feet to the NE and had to reclimb 10 ft or so moderate forested climb to correct and find the #102 control location in question. i had an even harder cliff brown level just SW of control #130, but a storm blow in aug. formed a tree snag fell on top of a adjacent tree towering above that deleted 2 meter cliff in a reentrant, control 1 month earlier, and I was forced to move the control, can't use widow maker sites/features, the tree snag might be unstable and thats that. CS musings enjoy...

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