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Discussion: How much snow in your woods?

in: Orienteering; General

Mar 6, 2015 4:33 AM # 
Becks:
You can play from anywhere, but acjospe and I are mostly interested in those woods with less snow in the NY metro area/CT.

BorisGr - where did you take me that day where there was a huge car park next to a busy road, and there's a golf course on the map?

To start - I think we have about 2 feet, but it's a long time since I ventured into the woods to check!
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Mar 6, 2015 4:50 AM # 
blairtrewin:
There is definitely no snow on the ground on any Australian orienteering map (there was a light dusting on high ground in Tasmania yesterday, but not anywhere that's mapped).
Mar 6, 2015 5:05 AM # 
Becks:
Well if you're willing to stump up the air fare Blair, we will give it a shot!

I'd love to orienteer down your way sometime! But probably not this weekend :)
Mar 6, 2015 5:13 AM # 
jayne:
well that's a shame because I've set the National O league sprint relay that's on tomorrow. It should be fun, though it's at Sydney uni so there's no trees (and definitely no snow).
Mar 6, 2015 5:28 AM # 
Cristina:
Still snow in the woods near me (north side of Oslo) but you don't have to go very far south before finding snow free forest. You are welcome to visit anytime, including this weekend. Free place to stay. Airfare not included.
Mar 6, 2015 5:42 AM # 
biggins:
Ha. We don't have any snow, come out here.
Mar 6, 2015 6:55 AM # 
yurets:
Dreaming of snow. Snow, where are you!?
Mar 6, 2015 8:00 AM # 
Hammer:
Still plenty of snow in southern ontario (only 1 day above 0 C in the last 7 weeks) but that isn't stopping well over 100 participants from racing this weekend near Niagara Falls.

Buy or rent snowshoes. Tremendous workout and a great way to go orienteering in the winter (without wearing a funny looking ski-O tray). ;-).

Our snowshoe raid in January attracts ~225 participants each year. The deeper the snow the better. With a mass start it makes for an interesting race strategy (to break trail or not to break trail). Winter Olympics here we come! ;-)
Mar 6, 2015 9:43 AM # 
gordhun:
Snow free guarantee for the Suncoast Orienteering Championships March 28th at Oscar Scherer State Park in Sarasota County.
Mar 6, 2015 12:00 PM # 
cmorse:
24-30" in eastern CT. It's going to be a while before we see dirt at Gay City, Wolf Den, Wells etc....
Mar 6, 2015 12:22 PM # 
Brucewithamap:
21" in Central KY.. Enough to make a parking lot of I65 for 12 hours. National Guard called in. 2 Day Orienteering meet cancelled again. This is nothing compared to the NE but for us it is pretty disruptive.
Mar 6, 2015 12:26 PM # 
graeme:
All gone in Edinburgh, since Tuesday.

If its coming at you horizontally, does that count as snowfall?
Mar 6, 2015 1:38 PM # 
BorisGr:
Becks: I think that was Saxon Woods in Msmaroneck, NY. A very nice little area.
Mar 6, 2015 2:14 PM # 
cmpbllv:
Snow may melt around DC/Baltimore to allow for a regular meet plus ultra long Sun...it's our third attempt since Feb 22 to hold it! Not sure about Patapsco, but just south of DC we probably have 5", mostly powder right now...bit of a drive, though.
Mar 6, 2015 2:34 PM # 
Becks:
Yes, Saxon woods, thanks! Anyone know how much they have in that rough area? Did they just get a lot this week or no?

Indeed, too much of a drive to DC given the upcoming weekends!
Mar 6, 2015 3:41 PM # 
Bernard:
If you plan on going to Harriman, bring xc skis or snowshoes. 100% snow coverage with average depth at least 18 inches.
Composition: about 2 inches of powder from yesterday's storm followed by a 1/4 inch crust that you will break through putting you back into softer snow.
I did a 5K snowshoe hike in virgin snow on hilly terrain and it took me 2 hours!
I expect Saxon has even more snow because the storms have been tracking more in that direction
Mar 6, 2015 3:50 PM # 
Becks:
Thanks Bernie! Indeed I think we are screwed looking at the NOHRSO Interactive snow cover map. We will have snow shoes.

And this is why Team Trials in March is a silly idea.
Mar 6, 2015 4:03 PM # 
igoup:
The snow in Dallas is almost melted. It's going to be really muddy though.
Mar 6, 2015 4:07 PM # 
Nikolay:
The snow in Seattle has been MIA the whole winter.
Mar 6, 2015 4:11 PM # 
Becks:
My "reasons to move to Seattle" list grows and grows!
Mar 6, 2015 4:20 PM # 
JLaughlin:
Northern Bavaria, Germany had none when I left.
Mar 6, 2015 6:24 PM # 
CHARLIE-B:
10-20" of snow in Saxon Woods today
Mar 6, 2015 6:29 PM # 
johncrowther:
Lots of snow in Colorado, but it's going to warm up over the next few days so a lot of it (at least around the Front Range cities) will probably be replaced by mud. Still plenty of skiing opportunities at higher elevations for the next month or so.
Mar 6, 2015 6:31 PM # 
jjcote:
Colorado doesn't get mud (or slush); the snow is subject to sublimation.

New England, on the other hand, is likely going to have an epic mud season.
Mar 6, 2015 6:35 PM # 
johncrowther:
I've experienced epic mud in the hills just west of Denver and Boulder - that sticks to your shoes. Running or hiking generally damages the trails during snow melt season so is highly discouraged.
Mar 6, 2015 7:55 PM # 
Becks:
Charlie - what are you doing in Saxon Woods?! is the 10 inches more regular than the 20?!

(Can you tell how desperate we are?!)
Mar 6, 2015 10:12 PM # 
Acampbell:
Just rain here, all the snow from start of week gone. But think we are going to have a soggy SEDs training weekend :(

Hope you guys find some snow free woods! and Flying Pig isn't covered as well. Although a few inches of snow would probably mimic heather quite well in a way? ...
Mar 6, 2015 10:16 PM # 
jjcote:
I've seen that Colorado mud. I don't think it compares with Vermont mud.
Mar 6, 2015 10:29 PM # 
johncrowther:
Well it doesn't really compare with the English mud I grew up with either, but here people are more concerned about damaging the fragile soil.
Mar 6, 2015 10:40 PM # 
kensr:
Give it up guys! Come up to VT and do the skiO tomorrow. No skis? I've got snowshoes I can lend you.
Mar 6, 2015 10:56 PM # 
CHARLIE-B:
I have in-laws in Larchmont, next town over. From the horse's keyboard:

"If its for cross country, it depends on what part of the park you're at, because there's drifts and packed down areas and there's pristine areas."
Mar 7, 2015 1:28 AM # 
maprunner:
No snow in Kansas all winter (this year). Perfect conditions for training. This is why I'm happy the US champs are in March.
Mar 7, 2015 1:38 AM # 
peggyd:
A good reason to avoid maprunner and run my age group instead ...
Mar 7, 2015 1:54 AM # 
bmay:
In Salmon Arm, very little snow and good trail/forest running in town (350 to 600 m elevation). Lots of snow and still great skiing in the hills (1000 m +) nearby.
Mar 7, 2015 2:31 AM # 
tdgood:
We got another 7+ inches in the Baltimore area where our event is this sunday (this is the 3rd attempt at holding it since it keeps being cancelled due to weather). This puts about 1 foot of snow in the woods behind my house.
Mar 7, 2015 3:48 AM # 
mikeminium:
Minimal snow cover in Cincinnati, melting expected Saturday. Our event this Sunday won't be snow free, but there should be bare patches, and lots of mud on the steep, slippery slopes of Seven Hills.
Mar 7, 2015 7:34 PM # 
RWorner:
A couple of feet here in Rochester. Falls frozen at Letchworth.
Mar 7, 2015 9:19 PM # 
Oslug:
Great trail and terrain running in snow-free Anchorage, but spikes recommended for some glare-icy parts. Snow only where it's been trucked in from Boston to form a ribbon of snow for today's ceremonial start of the Iditarod. (Moved the real start to Fairbanks, where there's snow.)
Mar 8, 2015 12:17 AM # 
Suzanne:
Pretty sunny and warm in San Francisco :).

No snow to be seen. And, sounds like there isn't much even in Tahoe, where we like our snow to be.
Mar 8, 2015 12:18 AM # 
Mr Wonderful:
12-16" in metro Detroit. Happy scouting to our early season hosts.
Mar 8, 2015 8:59 AM # 
fletch:
I think we had a max below 30 (celsius) last week, but no snow :(
Mar 8, 2015 10:12 AM # 
Gswede:
It's about 75 and sunny here in Madrid.
Mar 8, 2015 11:30 AM # 
JayXC:
Between 4-5 feet in the woods around Happy Valley and Camp Zerbe for the Snowgaine this weekend.
Mar 9, 2015 3:30 AM # 
tRicky:
A saw snow once but I had to visit another state to find it.
Mar 9, 2015 4:45 AM # 
smittyo:
We've got poppies blooming here in the California desert. 10 inches is the current report for the upper slopes of Mt. Baldy (that's at 8,600 ft. elevation).
Mar 9, 2015 6:56 AM # 
blegg:
There's zilch in the Pacific NW... From what I've heard most mountain sites are recording the lowest snow packs on record. That snow provides most of the summer water here, so it's going to be a very dry summer unless we get a big storm soon.
Mar 9, 2015 11:59 AM # 
ebuckley:
Pretty much all the snow in Missouri melted over the weekend. Trails are excessively muddy, but the forecast calls for warm temps and sunshine all week, so it should firm up quickly.
Mar 9, 2015 2:56 PM # 
jjcote:
Still more than two feet on the ground in north central Massachusetts, but it's forecasted to be warm all week, so we could be looking at epic slush, mud, and/or flooding.
Mar 9, 2015 3:31 PM # 
igoup:
Dallas snow report update: none. Will report back again in another week.
Mar 9, 2015 5:49 PM # 
JanetT:
Semi-relevant editorial cartoon from Jeff Danziger.
Mar 9, 2015 9:52 PM # 
LKohn:
40 today and some melting but there's still 4' of snow on either side of our walkway.
Mar 10, 2015 12:21 AM # 
coach:
At the top of the garbage can in my backyard, so, 30", starting to compress, and melt, almost 50F today....
Better go ski while it lasts....
From my many years of coaching up to the Team Trials, I cannot think of any time someone did not make the team who should have, because they had to train with lots of snow on the ground.
Mar 10, 2015 1:18 AM # 
miclaraia:
Ha ironically we up here in the upper midwest have virtually no snow left in the woods. Totally excited for some early orienteering training! :D
Mar 10, 2015 11:16 PM # 
gordhun:
Still clear of snow here along the suncoast of Florida. Eighteen days to the Suncoast O Championships.
Mar 11, 2015 8:06 PM # 
coach:
Snow is sublimating rapidly...
Mar 13, 2015 1:50 AM # 
Wyatt:
DVOA event this Sunday (NW of Philly) will have patches of up to 2-3 " of snow, but the fields, and most of the woods will (finally) be snow free.
Mar 13, 2015 10:59 AM # 
Jagge:
We checked it out, we still have some in Helsinki

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-...

https://scontent-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/t31...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-...
Mar 16, 2015 12:07 AM # 
JLaughlin:
None, great weather in Arizona.
Mar 16, 2015 12:13 AM # 
vmeyer:
Yes, but did you run on an o map this weekend? ;-)
Mar 16, 2015 1:04 AM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
Yes, printed one from WorldofO, dropped it on the ground and ran across it a few times.
Mar 16, 2015 1:06 AM # 
JLaughlin:
On an o map yes, with an o map doing o things, no. - In the terrain, not using a map.
Mar 16, 2015 1:47 AM # 
vmeyer:
Huh?!
Mar 16, 2015 5:09 AM # 
tRicky:
We had a not cyclone on the weekend that many people ran around during, on an O map.
Mar 16, 2015 9:33 PM # 
Hammer:
globally it was the 2nd warmest February on record - NASA

This article mentions where the only colder than normal part of the Earth was (but seems to forget that eastern North America isn't all USA).

http://mashable.com/2015/03/16/second-warmest-febr...
Mar 16, 2015 11:06 PM # 
Becks:
Yey! My New Haven woods have large patches completely snow free! Whoo whoo!
Mar 16, 2015 11:52 PM # 
walk:
Yeh! My CT woods are completely snow bound!
Mar 17, 2015 12:29 AM # 
carlch:
It was the third coldest February on Record for Burlington, VT. Average temp for the month was 7.6 degrees F (-13.6 C). But finally, we are getting daytime temps above freezing.
Mar 17, 2015 12:29 AM # 
Sandy:
Ridley and Tyler are mostly snow-free and should be completely by the weekend (although very, very wet and muddy).

The Water Gap on the other hand is another story...
Mar 17, 2015 3:47 PM # 
igoup:
North Texas is still free of snow. None is forecast for at least the near term. I can't speak for Oklahoma; there is no telling what sort of mayhem can happen north of the Red River.
Mar 18, 2015 3:24 AM # 
Oleg:
Southern Michigan today:
https://www.facebook.com/392525947427818/photos/a....
Mar 18, 2015 3:43 AM # 
Swampfox:
The question must be asked why anyone would trust a man who would devour anything in sight, whether it be classified vegetative or pepperoni.

Many of us have heard the story--possibly apocryphal, but more likely true--of how once Rosstopher described the astoundingly omnivorous nature of the legendary Iamstillhungry to Thierry Gueorgiou. When he was done, Thierry asked with some amount of concern: "You say he would eat even my compass?" And Rosstopher answered: "Thierry, he would eat *all* of your compasses."

If you play the word association game with Iamstillhungry and you tell him "armadillo" he will answer without the slightest hesitation: "Breakfast."

As for North Texas, it is a fact that no North Texan in living memory has ever seen snow, not even on a malfunctioning TV. If asked, most North Texans would tell you that there is no such thing as snow, except north of the wall in the fictional "A Song of Ice and Fire" (Game of Thrones).
Mar 19, 2015 12:31 AM # 
cmpbllv:
North Texans and their disbelief aside, how is the snow in your woods, Swampfox?
Mar 19, 2015 2:37 AM # 
igoup:
Swampfoxes don't know an armadillo from a crazy raspberry ant. Here's my street a couple weeks ago. Better be careful if you venture down these parts, the snowmen be packin' heat. I reckon they don't care much for your type of so called cowboy.
Mar 19, 2015 3:49 AM # 
Swampfox:
Is that like how's the cow? At any rate, if what I am seeing around here is representative of what is happening farther west and southwest and higher up, then the downstream states in the Colorado Basin probably aren't liking what they are seeing. Snow is waning pretty early.
Apr 8, 2015 12:15 AM # 
jjcote:
Progress: we had a lot of melting over Easter weekend, and although my yard is still about 50% covered with snow, the measuring stick that I had stuck on my deck fell over. Here's the view on the trailhead leading into the woods just down the street from my house:

(And the radio keeps talking about sleet over the next two days...)
Apr 8, 2015 2:15 AM # 
yurets:
@JJ Wow! This is so cool... You enjoy those last precious days of good weather, go skiing
Apr 8, 2015 11:23 PM # 
rm:
Just saw this thread. No snow here in Woodland Park, Colorado. Unlike further up north where John Crowther reports on, this area has had bare ground for much of the winter. I've been out scouting local mapping projects for months. (The downside is frequent forest and grass fires already.)
Apr 9, 2015 12:58 PM # 
jjcote:
It's been snowing here since sometime last night, and the ground is all white again...
Apr 9, 2015 11:12 PM # 
rm:
It's been snowing for an hour here, and the ground's still bare. (The driveway and patio are completely dry.) Side effects of a dry climate. I hope that later this evening it accumulates a bit, or at least moistens the soil. The grass and flowers could use it.
Apr 10, 2015 3:39 PM # 
NEOC#1:
The skiing was great yesterday around mid-coast Maine after 10-15 cm additional snow. I bet that the Maritimes "down east" have lots more. Should be gone for the COC on Aug 14-23 - but the Ocean bottom O is fine right now twice a day.
Ski 04/09
Apr 10, 2015 4:19 PM # 
igoup:
Another blizzard has hit Dallas! TP supplies are dwindling throughout the region. Here's a shot of our patio!
Apr 11, 2015 2:40 AM # 
Oleg:
The last snow in Central Michigan.
Chippewa river bank. Today's photo.
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101297935565075454931/...
Apr 11, 2015 2:54 AM # 
mikeminium:
Hungry, those look like Texas size hailstones!
Apr 11, 2015 3:54 AM # 
yurets:
The time for more fascinating stories
Apr 16, 2015 2:51 PM # 
kissy:
We're not finished with winter yet in Colorado.

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Apr 17, 2015 1:52 AM # 
tinytoes:
*yuret - that is one scary cat.
Apr 18, 2015 1:11 AM # 
NEOC#1:
That’s a welcome Colorado fertilizer and fire retardant. A lot more to come, I understand. Nice back yard.

We are basically snow free along the coast a week after our spring storm.
Apr 25, 2015 9:11 PM # 
jjcote:
Today, within an hour of my house:
Apr 25, 2015 9:40 PM # 
acjospe:
JJ, is that Bear Brook? Should we bring snowshoes tomorrow?
Apr 26, 2015 1:58 AM # 
jjcote:
Mt. Monadnock, the altitude makes a difference, and the snow was only in a few shaded hollows. I'd be very surprised to find any at Bear Brook.
May 10, 2015 12:59 PM # 
rm:
Ten inches here again in the Colorado high ancient prairie. There's probably OK snowshoeing on most of the maps here. Maybe the club should schedule foot orienteering here for February and snowshoe orienteering here for May.

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