Discussion: clue shee: both "bend" and "which side" of river

trying to describe in a clue sheet a bend of a creek and which side (which bank) of river, but while using Purple Pen, it seems that there is only one column for specifying either Bend or Which Side. Or am I missing something ?

being the creek with 1 meter of water, want to give more information, such as from which side to approach it to avoid having to cross it to reach the control without getting wet.

In summary, need to specify both "Bend" and "Which Side".

Perhaps use the 1st column and say northern creek bend? (or southern or whatever).

It's not the intended use of that column, but maybe it's better to break that rule than to have a lot of people get wet.

If you have access to CONDES, then you can have 2 descriptions in a column

You might also consider using the cardinal direction + inside or outside corner notation. I suppose corner isn't quite the same thing as bend, but they are conceptually similar without requiring non-standard notation.

Another option is to use an inside or outside of corner symbol like gets regularly used in sprints. You can then show what direction the bend is facing too...

Great minds think alike Ian.... and apparently at the exact same time.

Just center the circle correctly. Then exaggerate the offset by ~3×. Use whatever description you can come up with, as long as it's not confusing.

Give up and go bowling instead. Oddly enough, that's the same advice I'd give to the Steelers when the Ravens visit this Saturday :)

As someone noted, the two cities share the same colors... oh, Eddie, if you need crash space and a [terrible] towel to wipe your tears from the upcoming loss, you can count on me.

Just use another feature or put it in the middle of the creek to make it fair for everyone.

Good job Fletch Snr is not on AP - CONTROL DESCRIPTION - not Clue Sheet!

PurplePen will let you add a text line for a control. Perhaps in your event people won't care if that's not 100% normal? I used it a few times at my casual rogaine-format event without complaints.

At the risk of the scorn of those better versed in the arts, I present an EG:

Since 'bend' is not a point feature, I don't see the need to stress bend. The control circle will indicate its location being on the bend with circle centered somewhat on 'correct' side of stream (agreeing with TD).
Then keep control description simple: Eg 'NW side of stream'

If 'bend is not a point feature' where is the definitive point that the control is at? 'NW side of stream' is not a valid control description in my mind because you can't know from that where exactly the control is. Where along the stream is it?

Unless it is extremely sharp, it seems that even a 90 degree bend could be 10m, 20m, or more meters long. In that case, 'bend' does not indicate "exactly where control is". But if "trust the center of circle" on bend is not an acceptable option, perhaps this is not an appropriate feature for the control? In addition, visibility could determine viability.

If the bend is sharp but a choice between 'bend' and 'NW side of' is forced, I prefer 'NW side of'.

An exact "point feature" is not necessary, but once you're there, the flag position should be very obvious. "...Side of" and "part of" are very much not point features, but if you use them make sure the flag is visibile. I remember a "spur lower part" that made a lot of people mad because the flag was obscured by vegetation. I was at the bottom tip of the spur, and I couldn't see the flag. If the runner is legimately on the west side of a stream (at the correct bend), or in the west part of a clearing, or at the lower part of a spur, then the flag needs to be apparent.

I use "stream, west side of" (for example) at a bend all the time. I would exaggerate the offset of the circle only if it is difficult to cross the stream.

"Bend" is close enough to being a point location specifier, just as "S part" can be used for something like a field or depression. The assumption here is that the bend is sharp enough to be significant, and that the bend is mapped.

That said, it sounds like "NW side" is the more important part of the description. Bear in mind that some of the details of control descriptions date back to the days when the circle registration was lousy. While "N side" is important so that you'll know what side of the boulder to look on, "northern boulder" was often necessary because you couldn't tell from the map which boulder was intended. Over the years, orienteers being a pedantic bunch, it's become accepted that it's required to be able to distinguish the feature from any other feature of the some type in the circle, even though registration can now be perfect.

I'd say go with "which side" and skip the "bend". Although a computer or Amelia Bedelia might not be able to realize that it's at the bend, any normal human will know from a glance at the map. If anybody complains, just insult him.

JJ, you're learning from the tRicky School of Dealing With People.

Oh dear, the most-used control description will have to go. Reentrant.

Is it an impassable watercourse?