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Discussion: USA JWOC IV

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Jul 4, 2013 8:54 PM # 
barb:
Thread continued from here.
Link to live tracking tomorrow: http://www.jwoc2013.cz/live?day=5
This time all the women will be GPS'd.
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Jul 5, 2013 12:23 PM # 
MJ Stout:
Someone does not appear to have a bruised bone. A bruised knee, maybe. Woot!
Jul 5, 2013 1:29 PM # 
carlch:
The only US woman that I saw with a tracker was Meg. Did the other 5 not get them or did they just not work?

I noticed that there were reception problems for the trackers that I did watch though I could generally figure out the route.
Jul 5, 2013 1:39 PM # 
MJ Stout:
I couldn't get the girls' GPS to work either. Glad to know it wasn't just me.
Jul 5, 2013 1:49 PM # 
cmorse:
A lot of tracks appeared to be going to some very strange places - through huge blocks of impassable buildings, across the river. Izzy's was mostly in the area North of the map when I was watching.. Gave up on the GPS as it didn't seem to make much sense..
Jul 5, 2013 8:53 PM # 
barb:
Team meeting this evening:
* banquet etiquette
* everyone thanked Erin for his awesome coaching and told him how he's changed their lives for the better
* logistics for tomorrow
* training starting after JWOC, for next year
* racing and camps over the next year
* walked through the day backwards
Jul 5, 2013 9:31 PM # 
GuyO:
Great sprint results from some of our friends...

Kendra Murray (CAN) - 88th (tie), 17:43

BradLund (RSA) - 33rd!! (and in the lead for a time!), 15:55

Plus another Kiwi made it to the podium: Tim Robertson, 3rd, 14:47 (12 sec back)
Jul 6, 2013 5:33 AM # 
dyee:
Sprint photos here! Includes shots of the city, all US Juniors, some Canadians, and other highlights.
Jul 6, 2013 5:37 AM # 
dyee:
Jul 6, 2013 5:40 AM # 
dyee:
The cameraman for live video - pretty impressive looking setup!

Jul 6, 2013 9:35 AM # 
ledusledus:
Team USA beating SWE1 in relay.
Jul 6, 2013 12:11 PM # 
bubo:
...but not SWE2...
Jul 6, 2013 2:54 PM # 
triple-double:
What happened to Nate O in the relay? He is listed as WTHD--did he not start, or is he injured?
Jul 6, 2013 3:08 PM # 
whubsch:
He rolled his ankle during the warmup, so he didn't start. Matt and Zac started at the mass start at 2:10.
Jul 6, 2013 3:14 PM # 
triple-double:
Oh no! I hope he is ok! I am glad that they allowed for the other team members to start! Thanks for the update--we were very worried.
Jul 6, 2013 3:22 PM # 
MJ Stout:
Would someone please post US male results here? I cannot see them; can see only women's results. Thank you. I did not even see that about Nate. But I am so glad it is not more serious!
Jul 6, 2013 3:44 PM # 
triple-double:
http://www.jwoc2013.cz/upload/live/resultsrelay.pd...
Jul 6, 2013 6:42 PM # 
Spike:
The relay TV coverage:

http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ivysilani/10183677624-...
Jul 7, 2013 2:52 AM # 
carlch:
Anne Wilkinson shows up in the TV coverage briefly about 31:39 into the coverage. Ethan is there briefly at 51:35 and Anna Breton at 53:45-54:30. Izzy is shown at the start of the Relay about 4 min into the coverage. Adam Woods and
Kendra Murray also appear several times, especially Kendra who finished a VERY IMPRESSIVE 12th---good run Kendra!!

The TV coverage gives a good sense of the woods but also just how close the packs are.
Jul 7, 2013 7:30 AM # 
barb:
The US team trip to JWOC concludes successfully. We are starting to shed people, but still have a core heading to Olomouc for training on the WOC maps from a few years ago. Our runners had some good runs, met a couple of our goals, came close on others, learned what skills they most need to work on.

Our juniors were exposed to the highest level of orienteering, built strong friendships, made large strides in their development and started planning for the future.
Jul 7, 2013 1:13 PM # 
barb:
This morning we met Tomas, son of the Czech coach, who will be working with the kids the first day or so until the coach arrives. We are down to 15 US juniors, plus 4 Canadian juniors. They headed by bus to Olomouc, site of WOC 2008, had lunch, and are resting before training. (Thanks to Janet for texting me!)
Jul 8, 2013 6:12 AM # 
barb:
I have updated the "View from the Tour" blog post to include comments from Janet Swartz, Dan's mom, on the Sprint experience, and Bud O'Leary, Dan's dad, on the relay.
Jul 8, 2013 8:30 AM # 
barb:
Post JWOC blogging has begun.

Izzy writes about the first training exercise in Olomouc: "We went to a pretty flat and fast woods which was really nice. He offered two courses (with si!). One was 4.3 the other was 5.8. Most of the boys did the long so... I did too! I loooooved the course. I had good flow, I spiked almost every one of the 21 controls. No joke. I wasn't pushing the pace but I was able to move. Only one problem: I.forgot that we actually had si sticks until the 4th control but I took splits on my watch. It took me about 48 minutes."

Will: "Today was our first day of training in Olomuoc. The course was easy, which was a good thing because I didn't sleep too much last night (4 hours). No mistakes, except I accidentally started running to #17 instead of #15 because of the way I folded my map. It was very open and runnable."



(Thanks to Will for the map)
Jul 8, 2013 3:00 PM # 
MJ Stout:
Note to rising HS seniors and older who are now in Olomouc: take good notes! It will be the site for the 2014 WUOC.
Jul 9, 2013 2:14 AM # 
MJChilds:
OK, Maryjane, you started it. Next year's schedule is as follows:

WOC July 5-13, 2014 Trentino & Veneto, Italy w/ sprint in Venice!!!
http://www.woc2014.info/ https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fw6ammde0nws54/presenta...

JWOC July 21-28 Borovets (near Sofia), Bulgaria
http://www.jwoc2014.bg/

WUOC August 12-17 Olomouc, Czech Republic
http://www.wuoc2014.cz/
Time to start planning!

I'd like to add that orienteering in Venice is on my bucket list, so I'm really hoping to go. We went to the JWOC in Trentino (near the site of next year's WOC) and for me, it was the most beautiful place I'd ever orienteered. Think about it.
Jul 9, 2013 5:13 AM # 
barb:
Today's schedule for the Olomouc training:

8:00 breakfast
9:00 bus departs for Stars Ves. (lunch on site)
5:30 bus returns to dorms
7:30 dinner at Doga Restaurant (Ground floor of our dorm)

From Will's log, it looks like yesterday they did a morning and afternoon course, 4.5k and 5.5k.
Jul 9, 2013 3:43 PM # 
barb:
So I'm in Olomouc now, sitting in a building whose security guard speaks no English, hoping that the kids will magically appear here at some point.
Jul 9, 2013 8:54 PM # 
MJChilds:
This link may have been posted elsewhere, but just to make it easy, here are more of the incredible Dave Yee's photos of the relay. http://www.attackpoint.org/discussionthread.jsp/me...

I especially like the ones at the relay mass start where you can tell both women and men are running very hard and reading their maps at the same time. Great shots of Izzy and Ethan here. Love all the exchange and finish shots, too. Dave really captured the essence of the event, I think. Thanks, again.
Jul 10, 2013 7:13 AM # 
barb:
I arrived in Olomouc and met up with the team yesterday evening, after their second full day of training. Today they'll do a sprint and then disperse to the Karst Cup (most of us), home, or another Czech orienteering event (Will, Michael and some Canadians).

Coach Robert met with the team last night. He apologized about being very busy; he didn't come until yesterday and his son Tomas has been sheperding the team around the previous days. He talked about how it is important to orienteer all over the world to get experience. He himself has participated in 5000 competitions. He talked about how in the Czech Republic they have maps everywhere (in fact, there is a nice web page where you can see them all overlaid on a map of the country, zoom in, download low quality versions, and find out where to purchase the OCAD files or printed maps). There are 8-10 competitions each weekend in the Czech Republic.

Yesterday morning's map was a bit like Scandinavia, with lots of bumps; it was hard to tell which were knolls. He talked about how difficult the orienteering is in Scandinavia. Here in the Czech Republic there are many features you can use: paths, vegetation; you don't really need a compass. You can read the terrain like a newspaper. But in Scandinavia you need your compass. And it's hard to relocate. He was on the Czech national team roughly 1976-1985. They had no opportunity to travel into the West to train; only for competition. But when it opened up and they could travel, then Czechs started training on other terrain and began to beat the Scandinavians sometimes. He talked about how there are strong young people from many different countries.

We talked more about the map from yesterday morning, and some of the route choice puzzles. 9->10 it was best to go left or right not straight over the hill. (whubsch probably posted the maps if you want to see them.) The forest was slow, and roads relatively fast in this forest. The speed of the forest is something to assess with each map. It matters a lot in longer races.

He talked about the Sprint discipline, which he helped introduce back in 1992, as part of an effort to promote orienteering. He said the main idea is fast running, and he has complaints about maps and course setters that result in really tricky courses, like having small gates. That can be unfair, when it's really hard to tell from the map what you need to do. In contrast, an excellent sprint map & experience is Venezia, which is like a labyrinth. (courses in Venezia tend to be longer than sprint, but the general idea is similar; the way of thinking.) He said by the end of a course there not only your legs but also your head is tired.

He said yesterday afternoon's marsh map was good preparation for Scandinavia.

He talked about how cool it is that people from all countries can understand an orienteering map and be at home in any forest.
Jul 11, 2013 6:49 PM # 
barb:
Isabel took first place in stage one of the Karst Cup, W16. Ethan and Carl 2nd and 4th in M20. Izzy got an award onstage tonight. First Euro win.
Her min/km was faster than winners of all the older classes. Not sure whether the nav was easier. Length and climb were similar to F50: 3.6 k and 140m
Jul 11, 2013 7:49 PM # 
carlch:
Way to go Izzy!!!
Jul 11, 2013 9:20 PM # 
Hammer:
Awesomeness!
Jul 11, 2013 10:52 PM # 
dawgtired:
That's awesome.

Will and I competed in a small local meet in Catalonia about four years ago. It was about one hour north of Barcelona by train. No age groups, just a short, middle and long. Will ran the middle and was awarded first place. There was a podium, and a presentation of sausages to the top three in front of what may have been the entire populace of the village the race was held in. When we checked the official results later, it did not appear that Will finished first. But they were very nice people. Or maybe the guy who actually finished first did not like sausages. That was Will's first and so far only euro "win".
Jul 11, 2013 11:26 PM # 
jjcote:
I was awarded a trophy at a meet in Yugoslavia 25 years ago, but it wasn't for doing well (I finished last). There's some ambiguity as to exactly why I got it, not helped by my extremely limited knowledge of the language or the fact that they had managed to get me drunk (for the last time ever).
Jul 12, 2013 4:04 AM # 
mikeminium:
Certainly the last time you'll ever get drunk in Yugoslavia.
Jul 12, 2013 4:23 AM # 
jjcote:
Well, you never know. Maybe they'll reunify. Not likely, I'll grant you that. I could get drunk in Neštin again, though, but betting on me getting drunk anywhere would not be a wise move.
Jul 12, 2013 5:44 AM # 
ndobbs:
Maybe they gave you a tankard of beer, you drank it, and decided it was a trophy!
Jul 12, 2013 6:39 AM # 
bubo:
Great results! Congrats to Izzy, Ethan and Carl.
Keep spiking those controls...
Jul 12, 2013 7:32 AM # 
barb:
The JWOC Tour organizers were looking for my dad the day after he left presumably to give him the Oldest award. But he was gone so he didn't get it. He did manage to complete the first day so the award would have been slightly legit.
Jul 12, 2013 9:48 AM # 
GuyO:
Did you not accept it on his behalf?
Jul 13, 2013 6:21 PM # 
barb:
Karst Cup chase start tomorrow based on first three days. Very exciting. Ethan starts 5 min after Carl on a 7.5k course. F20 girls start near each other. Izzy should be able to maintain her overall lead if she keeps her head.
Jul 14, 2013 10:38 AM # 
barb:
Overall Karst Cup
Isabel #1
Barb #2
Carl #3
Ethan #4
Jul 14, 2013 7:19 PM # 
barb:
You parents still following? We shed four more people and nine of us made it to Vienna. Rest week. Yay! Well, work week for me...
Jul 14, 2013 8:56 PM # 
tp:
Still following! Have fun in Vienna.
Jul 15, 2013 12:08 AM # 
carlch:
Yes, still following, Thanks for posting. Enjoy the rest. I think you've only had a couple days off for the last 4 weeks.
Jul 15, 2013 3:52 PM # 
barb:

At the Turcianske Teplice train station
Jul 15, 2013 3:58 PM # 
barb:

Playing some sort of ninja game at the Penzion for Karst Cup.
Jul 15, 2013 4:17 PM # 
barb:

Trevor ("Yukon") was remarkably good at this game.
Jul 15, 2013 4:25 PM # 
barb:

I played. Yep.
Jul 15, 2013 4:57 PM # 
Boz Mom:
Barb...please continue to post as we are still following. I wasn't a registered Attackpoint user until today, just followed silently. I love seeing what you all are up to!
Jul 15, 2013 5:56 PM # 
barb:
Some kids watched for a while, laughing, and then got in on the action.



Jul 15, 2013 6:01 PM # 
barb:
1-2-3 at Karst Cup

(Photo taken by #4)
Jul 15, 2013 6:05 PM # 
barb:
Saying a sad goodbye after Karst Cup
Jul 15, 2013 6:42 PM # 
Boz Mom:
What is on the agenda for rest week...besides the obvious, rest :)
Jul 15, 2013 6:45 PM # 
barb:
Today: they walked around Vienna a lot. Carl made dinner (see my Facebook page for vid). Tomorrow: Isabel's birthday celebrations. Probably Prater amusement park. The next day we say goodbye to three people. The next day we say goodbye to another 1-2. Then Friday ish we'll go to Moedling and do some orienteering and see my cousin. Saturday, drive to Croatia!
Jul 15, 2013 7:00 PM # 
kissy:
Are you ever coming home???
Jul 15, 2013 8:34 PM # 
barb:
Nope
Jul 16, 2013 4:09 AM # 
whitecoursechamp:
Yes, Barb, Will's mom here -- still following. Thanks for everything and we love the posts and photos.
Jul 17, 2013 8:32 AM # 
barb:
Yesterday: a "treasure hunt" involving the Unterer Prater orienteering map. (Which I still need to pay the Vienna orienteering club for...) Then they went to the Prater amusement park while Meg and I headed to the apartment. Meg left for Brno. In the evening Isabel and the six guys and I went out to dinner at a steak restaurant. Then I went to bed and they watched Forrest Gump.

Today: Trevor left this morning, and Carl just said goodbye. Down to 4 guys, me and Izzy...
Jul 18, 2013 4:07 AM # 
GuyO:
Brno?
Jul 18, 2013 4:18 AM # 
jjcote:
Yes, Brno.
Jul 18, 2013 8:26 AM # 
barb:
Goodbye! Until we meet again!



Jul 18, 2013 9:21 AM # 
barb:
Marianne, Danielle and Anne made it back safely to Seattle.
Jul 18, 2013 12:21 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Seattle?
Jul 18, 2013 3:15 PM # 
Boz Mom:
Out of curiosity who are the 4 guys left? Obviously Addison but just wondering who else? Hope your rest week has been enjoyable!
Jul 18, 2013 8:37 PM # 
jjcote:
Yes, Seattle.
Jul 18, 2013 10:06 PM # 
Pink Socks:
Ha!
Jul 19, 2013 10:13 AM # 
barb:
The group is at its nadir, down to me, Isabel, Addison and John. Yesterday we went to Modling where we taught my Czech cousin-in-law how to orienteer on a map near their house, and then she made schnitzel and apfelstrudel for us and my cousin Dave. Today the kids are hanging out on the permanently installed hammocks in the nearby park, reading, resting. Tomorrow we will drive to Slovenia, maybe run an open course at Bubo Cup (the kids really don't want to, but I do), and then on to the Croatian villa. Our numbers will start growing again; we'll add my parents, Dave, Mark, Marilyn, Geoff, the Courtney-Collins family, and soon Connor, Ethan and Charlie. And we'll get to see the Gagarins and Walkers, yay! And celebrate Dave's FIFTIETH BIRTHDAY!
Jul 19, 2013 12:12 PM # 
barb:
I signed up to get alerts from the State Department while we travel; they've been very helpful at warning us about things like political demonstrations, all of which I'd love to attend except our schedule never quite works out.
Jul 19, 2013 2:30 PM # 
tp:
I need to ask Meg what she was doing in Brno, but she is now home in Carlisle.
Jul 19, 2013 6:13 PM # 
barb:
She was visiting a friend!
Jul 19, 2013 10:28 PM # 
jjcote:
Carlisle?
Jul 20, 2013 12:36 AM # 
Dobby1:
Karst Cup photos are starting to be posted on the photographers website http://www.martinkotrha.eu/

If I did this right there should be a photo below. If not.....one of my kids will help the old man figure it out.

Sample photo
Jul 20, 2013 2:27 AM # 
GuyO:
Our numbers will start growing again; we'll add my parents, Dave, Mark, Marilyn, Geoff, the Courtney-Collins family, and soon Connor, Ethan and Charlie.

Besides your Dad. Dave Y, Connor, Ethan & Charlie S, are any of the others orienteers?
Jul 20, 2013 2:29 AM # 
GuyO:
Yes, Carlisle.
Jul 20, 2013 3:13 AM # 
andreais:
Ethan and Connor are back with Will and Michael L., and the Bresemans and the Canadian contingent.
Jul 27, 2013 8:06 PM # 
barb:
Hi! Last evening with Ethan and Connor; we are in Ogulin, Croatia. It's pretty hot. We're in an apartment next to a Conzum, so Ethan can buy as much juice as he wants.

Today's long race on Karst terrain was fun.

We left the villa this morning. Dave has some photos of various things that hopefully he'll upload soon. Maybe when we get back. Includes the trip to the beautiful lakes park.
Aug 1, 2013 2:19 AM # 
barb:
Can you guess which of these American orienteers just orienteered for the first time?



The joy of it!
Aug 1, 2013 2:24 AM # 
barb:
Chris noticed that people of all ages consulted with Ethan on their courses.

Aug 1, 2013 2:35 PM # 
barb:
Jadranovo


Crikvenice


Dinner party at a State Department house in Zagreb


Plitvice Lakes


Aug 2, 2013 3:14 AM # 
Evalin B:
I love the pictures! Thanks for sharing, especially on smugmug! :)
Aug 3, 2013 9:45 PM # 
barb:
Near final numbers for the official part of the trip (2 weeks of training plus a week of competition at JWOC):

pre-JWOC training, for 20 juniors, varying length of time, but most of them were 12 days: $72.31/junior/day. That includes everything: hotel, food, transportation (car, fuel, insurance), maps, and some costs for coaches and chaperones.

JWOC team: $896 for the week (entry & accreditation fees, hotel, transportation, full board, coach, chaperone)

JWOC Tour: $566 for the week (entry fees, hotel, half board, coach)

OUSA will pay at least $1000 for JWOC team members, and at least $600 for JWOC Tour (standing team & JWOC team alternates), toward competition as well as the training prior to JWOC. This is both budgeted and digging into the carryover funds from last year. We hope to raise more money to reimburse families for more of the cost, but we don't have the money for that yet. Hopefully we'll continue to raise money through 2013 to accomplish that. We don't help with airfare, but some clubs have contributed toward that for their members - thank you!

Not included in that accounting is uniforms. We are over budget on that item as well. (Thanks to having so many junior standing team members!)
Aug 3, 2013 9:45 PM # 
barb:
US juniors who participated in the European trip: 22.
There were other friends (like Canadians, and Joanna from Poland, and a dozen or more US adults) along some of the time.

Approximate number of courses (races + training) by US juniors whom I got to hang out with in Europe (person-courses):
219 pre-JWOC training
99 JWOC
80 Olomouc
60 Karst Cup
80 Will & Michael
20 Italy
24 Croatia
20 Bubo
32 Other

634. Pretty good.

Will, Michael or Ethan must have the record for the most courses run this summer. Perhaps Ethan; he'll have been there the longest, 8 weeks or so.
And if you work in the pre-JWOC training in Harriman, at A meets, etc, it's a lot.
I bet the volume of training and competition by US juniors, at an elite level, has really risen this year.
Aug 3, 2013 9:47 PM # 
barb:
It would be great if someone would set up a program to facilitate exchange students, going between the US and elsewhere. Having some serious orienteers living with your juniors could be awesome.
Aug 4, 2013 12:16 AM # 
Pink Socks:
There have been a few high school orienteers from Europe who have elected to come to Seattle for school. I don't remember the specifics about the one from Germany 4-5 years ago, but the one from Finland specifically came to Seattle because of our junior league, and she stayed with an orienteering family here.
Aug 4, 2013 12:57 AM # 
carlch:
Certainly a lot more post JWOC European training and competition this year than for the last several and that will benefit the kids that participated. But,,, I'm hoping for another benefit from all this; and that is the stories and enthusiasm that this years juniors will share with their friends and club mates back home. Hopefully this will lead to more and more kids trying to get good enough so that they too can go on a trip like this.

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