Discussion: Ski WOC
in: Orienteering; News
Mar 4, 2013 7:13 AM
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The 2013 World Ski Orienteering Championships are taking place this week in Ridder, in Eastern Kazakhstan. For interested spectators, the WSOC ("wuh-sock") program this week is:
The meet site is on time zone UTC+6, which is eleven hours ahead of EST. Check out the WSOC website for results and updates, though I don't know how regularly it will be updated. Go USA!
Apparently the IOF page is also a good place to look for live results:
http://iof.6prog.org/WR_Home.aspx?HOW=S
| Monday: | Hang out, chillax |
| Tuesday: | Sprint, 10:30a - 12:45p |
| Wednesday: | Middle, 10a - 1:15p |
| Thursday: | Mixed sprint relay, 11a - 12:30p |
| Friday: | Rest Day, Sightsee, chillax |
| Saturday: | Relay, 10a - 1:30p |
| Sunday: | Long, 10a - 1:45p |
The meet site is on time zone UTC+6, which is eleven hours ahead of EST. Check out the WSOC website for results and updates, though I don't know how regularly it will be updated. Go USA!
Apparently the IOF page is also a good place to look for live results:
http://iof.6prog.org/WR_Home.aspx?HOW=S
Mar 4, 2013 7:26 AM
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Certainly many other links have been posted elsewhere - particularly in team member blogs, but to reiterate publicly:
- US results and commentary from 2011:
http://www.us.orienteering.org/us-teams/ski/result...
- Alex Jospe's blog, with daily updates on the team's activity:
http://alexjospe.blogspot.com
Unfortunately, the Ski WOC 2011 domain seems to have been discontinued, but the results can still be found at the IOF website:
http://orienteering.org/events/?event_id=132
There are also some fun statistics pages on the IOF Ski-O world ranking site.
- Top 25 highest scoring WRE point runs of 2013. It's exciting to note that Ali has the 20th and 24th highest scoring runs so far this year: http://iof.6prog.org/WR_High.aspx?HOW=S
- Head to Head matchups, useful for tracking the top results: http://iof.6prog.org/WR_H2H.aspx?HOW=S
- US results and commentary from 2011:
http://www.us.orienteering.org/us-teams/ski/result...
- Alex Jospe's blog, with daily updates on the team's activity:
http://alexjospe.blogspot.com
Unfortunately, the Ski WOC 2011 domain seems to have been discontinued, but the results can still be found at the IOF website:
http://orienteering.org/events/?event_id=132
There are also some fun statistics pages on the IOF Ski-O world ranking site.
- Top 25 highest scoring WRE point runs of 2013. It's exciting to note that Ali has the 20th and 24th highest scoring runs so far this year: http://iof.6prog.org/WR_High.aspx?HOW=S
- Head to Head matchups, useful for tracking the top results: http://iof.6prog.org/WR_H2H.aspx?HOW=S
Mar 5, 2013 4:44 AM
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So much suspense. Any speculation on what the cause is? Maybe the ice dam over the suspension bridge gave out.
Mar 5, 2013 4:51 AM
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I think they got a lot of snow last night, and are probably out regrooming all the small trails.
Mar 5, 2013 5:09 AM
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Looks like they will have GPS tracking?
http://sportrec.navirec.com/ui/#18ja0e0
http://sportrec.navirec.com/ui/#18ja0e0
Mar 5, 2013 6:07 AM
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I suspect the live results from http://sportident.ru/ol/ aren't actually updating live; there aren't any finishers yet 37 minutes after the first start. The women's GPS tracking from http://sportrec.navirec.com/ui/#18ja0e0 could be working; I guess we'll know when the first GPS tracker - Polina Malchikova - starts at 1:20 EST.
Mar 5, 2013 6:09 AM
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I can see people move around in the stadium on the tracking, but still no background map.
Mar 5, 2013 6:10 AM
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first result in for the women, At least a 10min delay from finish to online results updating.
Mar 5, 2013 6:13 AM
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Results are trickling in! It looks like Scott finished in 23:08 and Adrian in 25:56, currently 6th and 9th. Alex and Anna are in with 19:31 and 23:00, currently 7th and 10th. Ali and Greg are out on their courses.
Mar 5, 2013 6:17 AM
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Mar 5, 2013 6:21 AM
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It looks like the men's GPS paces through the little wee trails are a bit under 5:00/km. Among you ski-O folks, is that fast? About how wide do you think these little dashed guys are?
Mar 5, 2013 6:21 AM
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Sorokin on course. Man this tracking tool completely eats my bandwidth!
Mar 5, 2013 6:22 AM
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Man this tracking tool completely eats my bandwidth
What do you need besides GPS tracking and attackpoint? First women's GPS tracker is out on the course.
What do you need besides GPS tracking and attackpoint? First women's GPS tracker is out on the course.
Mar 5, 2013 6:31 AM
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World #6 Anastasia Kravchenko is rapidly gaining on #11 Rognstad; she's already picked up a minute on the two minute interval. Tove is two minutes behind Kravchenko.
Mar 5, 2013 6:33 AM
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It looks like there is a steady snow falling in the video. I wonder what the ski conditions are like; the US team was definitely concerned yesterday about uncertain weather. How would new falling snow (especially at or just above freezing) affect optimal wax conditions?
Mar 5, 2013 6:35 AM
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Yikes, Kravchenko is really putting the hammer down on Rognstad. The network of trails among the women's controls 3-8 looks intense, with lots of variety on microroute from the GPS tracks.
Mar 5, 2013 6:37 AM
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The fresh snow can have a huge influence on ski/grind selection in addition to wax. It looks like the Finns are the only ones who have really hit the ski/wax selection perfectly.
Mar 5, 2013 6:40 AM
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The GPS track seems delayed by about a minute relative to the live results. Kravchenko's (currently 2nd place) result was posted before her GPS track made it to the finish. Tove coming in now.
Mar 5, 2013 6:44 AM
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New best men's time from Ville-Petteri Saarela in 16:23, about 48s ahead of the local favorite Sorokin currently in second.
Mar 5, 2013 6:45 AM
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I'm having very intermittent coverage from the video stream (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ski-woc-1); the video cuts out entirely after about 20-30s. Is anyone else having that problem? Lacking GPS, the video stream would be a great way to keep track of the US competitors in subsequent races if it is reliable.
Mar 5, 2013 6:46 AM
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Video is working fine for me, but it shows only 11 people watching, so there may be issues keeping some people off.
Mar 5, 2013 6:54 AM
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All I get is a black screen for the vid. Some message about "links mode disabled," which goes away after a few seconds. The live tracking and results are running smoothly.
Mar 5, 2013 7:39 AM
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So, a cursory look at the data reveals that the US had solid performance compared to the 2011 results as measured by %back of the winning time. Also, the field in Kazakhstan is much stronger and skewed towards the faster people; a lot of the slower people apparently stayed home. Winning time isn't the most stable measure, but it's fairly reliable. I'm very curious to see what the team people thought of the conditions and race.
| Athlete | 2011 %back | 2011 Placing | 2013 %back | 2013 Placing |
| Ali | 13.0 | 18/48 | 12.4 | 21/34 |
| Alex | 24.6 | 24/48 | 29.0 | 29/34 |
| Anna | - | - | 52.0 | 32/34 |
| Greg | 40.4 | 51/76 | 34.5 | 37/47 |
| Adrian | 46.2 | 54/76 | 63.4 | 45/47 |
| Scott | 47.7 | 55/76 | 45.8 | 42/47 |
Mar 5, 2013 7:48 AM
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Awesome, thanks for the stats, Ian!
Can't wait to read all of the write-ups!
Can't wait to read all of the write-ups!
Mar 5, 2013 12:45 PM
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Ian, do you ski? I imagine with your skills at Corn Maze O' (how many times US Champion?), you could do pretty well with those Kazakh mazes.
Mar 5, 2013 2:07 PM
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I think if anyone on the standing team has good personal incentive to train at Ski-O, it's Ian...
Mar 5, 2013 3:24 PM
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AliC:
Yeah, he skis, and I bet would totally rock these mazes, I should request to borrow those skills next ski-WOC =).
In any case, just a fyi that I was lucky enough to score a GPS spot tomorrow, so anyone up at 9.44pm EST can try to watch, if all goes well!
Our start times (-11h for EST) are:
Anna - 10.08
Alex - 10.12
Ali - 10.44
Greg - 10.07
Adrian - 10.11
Scott - 10.23
In any case, just a fyi that I was lucky enough to score a GPS spot tomorrow, so anyone up at 9.44pm EST can try to watch, if all goes well!
Our start times (-11h for EST) are:
Anna - 10.08
Alex - 10.12
Ali - 10.44
Greg - 10.07
Adrian - 10.11
Scott - 10.23
Mar 5, 2013 4:01 PM
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Wyatt, I ski - but like a duck, and not a ski prodigy duck, but a duck with bad technique. I have some enthusiasm for learning, but I have chosen to prioritize one sport at a time. I would probably have to undertake a multiyear bigginsesque program of getting fast. I believe I have three CMOUSA titles, but the results aren't up anywhere (JJ?), and only one of those titles was won facing Biggins.
Do you ski, Wyatt?
Do you ski, Wyatt?
Mar 5, 2013 4:24 PM
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My wife's greatest orienteering performance of all time was in a corn maze (non-sanctioned CMOUSA, but ISSOM). But she doesn't ski, she snowboards. Bummer.
Mar 5, 2013 7:11 PM
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Perfect Eddie!
Looked like people cut across here and there. For real or just a tracker inaccuracy?
BTW: Do they use GPS or GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigatsionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema) tracking?
Looked like people cut across here and there. For real or just a tracker inaccuracy?
BTW: Do they use GPS or GLONASS (Globalnaya Navigatsionnaya Sputnikovaya Sistema) tracking?
Mar 6, 2013 3:11 AM
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One hour until the first start of the Middle Distance course! The first start for the US is Greg at 11:07 PM EST, and the last is Ali at 11:44. Get psyched!
Measured by average %back of the winning time, the middle distance has been the toughest race for the US. I speculate that this reflects the more technical meanderings through trail mazes; for the most part, the American athletes don't have the opportunity to train on complex cross country ski-O terrain that you see in Europe and apparently Kazakhstan. Among the 5 Americans returning from the 2011 Ski-WOC, the average pct-back for the middle was 47% compared to 34% and 30% for the sprint and long respectively.
Reigning world champions Polina Malchikova and Staffan Tunis are back for more. Malchikova starts two minutes behind the top ranked Tove Alexandersson, so that promises to be an exciting GPS spectacle. Ali will also have GPS.
Live(ish) Results: http://sportident.ru/ol/
No word yet on the WSOC website about live GPS tracking or Life-video.
Measured by average %back of the winning time, the middle distance has been the toughest race for the US. I speculate that this reflects the more technical meanderings through trail mazes; for the most part, the American athletes don't have the opportunity to train on complex cross country ski-O terrain that you see in Europe and apparently Kazakhstan. Among the 5 Americans returning from the 2011 Ski-WOC, the average pct-back for the middle was 47% compared to 34% and 30% for the sprint and long respectively.
Reigning world champions Polina Malchikova and Staffan Tunis are back for more. Malchikova starts two minutes behind the top ranked Tove Alexandersson, so that promises to be an exciting GPS spectacle. Ali will also have GPS.
Live(ish) Results: http://sportident.ru/ol/
No word yet on the WSOC website about live GPS tracking or Life-video.
Mar 6, 2013 4:45 AM
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Hm, not sure if Ali didn't get a GPS or if they're only showing ten, but the first woman starter with a GPS listed is Yuliya Tarasenko , the third starter after Ali. Sixteen men are listed with GPS starting with Haverstad at 12:08 EST. My guess is they won't show the map until the first GPS starter at 11:50 EST.
Mar 6, 2013 4:47 AM
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The video is still just a black rectangle for me. I suppose the problem is on my end, but there's no indication what it might be. I tried to get help, but it wants me to log in for that.
Mar 6, 2013 4:50 AM
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And we have map on the GPS! The lower right of the middle distance course is the sprint map from yesterday. I guess that was obvious if you've read the bulletins.
Yuliya Tarasenko is the first woman starter with GPS unfortunately.
Yuliya Tarasenko is the first woman starter with GPS unfortunately.
Mar 6, 2013 4:54 AM
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The men and women's courses are very similar - is that typical for Ski WOC courses?
Eddie - I'm getting only intermittent video coverage. It does look windy, and there seem to be many comically dressed people wearing skis hopping around in the start queue.
Eddie - I'm getting only intermittent video coverage. It does look windy, and there seem to be many comically dressed people wearing skis hopping around in the start queue.
Mar 6, 2013 4:59 AM
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The "Malchikova" dot started 4 minutes after Tarasenko; no sign of Tove. Hopefully her transmitter is malfunctioning and she is still racing.
Mar 6, 2013 5:11 AM
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Gaaa! This tracking app drags my laptop down completely! I can't do anything else while its running. Massive lag.
Mar 6, 2013 5:13 AM
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Ooo, Hellberg overshot 1 a bunch. Also, I think Engstrom's route to 4 is slower because she has to go up and down on the straight line route. Novikova seems to have gained a bit going low left.
Still no results yet.
Still no results yet.
Mar 6, 2013 5:17 AM
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Its causing a several second delay with every action I take in firefox. t y p i n g i s s o s l o w . . .
Its as if there is no interupt in the updating of the runners on the screen. It has to complete a full cycle through everything before it checks to see if I did anything else in the mean time. Anyone else having this issue?
Its as if there is no interupt in the updating of the runners on the screen. It has to complete a full cycle through everything before it checks to see if I did anything else in the mean time. Anyone else having this issue?
Mar 6, 2013 5:17 AM
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Oops, I'm an idiot; Hellberg and Spoerry on the men's side took the western river crossing rather than the eastern. It looks like the eastern is faster, though. Kravchenko is catching Rognstad en route to 3, yikes. Kozlova's also really gaining on Engstrom - I think 4 is an important route choice.
Mar 6, 2013 5:18 AM
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Nuts, I'm not having any issues Eddie. I'm running in Chrome, though I doubt that matters. Maybe run AP and the GPS tracking in different browsers?
Kozlova goes right to 5; Engstrom and Novikova left.
Kozlova goes right to 5; Engstrom and Novikova left.
Mar 6, 2013 5:23 AM
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The slow response is in the tracking app itself as well. As long as I just watch and don't try to change anything its fine.
Mar 6, 2013 5:25 AM
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The Kozlova, Engstrom, Novikova duel is so intense. Also, it looks like Malchikova, Hellberg's, and Olsson's feeds have failed somewhere.
Mar 6, 2013 5:28 AM
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Only four of the F21 GPS tracks are being received; they're dropping like flies!
Edit - Malchikova and Kravchenko just came back, so I guess it's a reception issue rather than a satellite explosion or ski monster.
Edit - Malchikova and Kravchenko just came back, so I guess it's a reception issue rather than a satellite explosion or ski monster.
Mar 6, 2013 5:29 AM
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yes, tracking app is *much* smoother in safari, and no problems with two tabs at the same time. firefox is choking on something. Still no video for me though :(
Mar 6, 2013 5:30 AM
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It looks like these courses are pretty long and slow given the conditions.
Mar 6, 2013 5:32 AM
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Anna just finished in 1:22:49, currently in thirteenth. Go Anna! Three finishers from the men, best time of 1:14.
Mar 6, 2013 5:33 AM
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Also the map in firefox is not rotated like it is in safari. No wonder the tracking looked so poor! Firefox hasn't oriented the map! Check out this side-by-side screen grab (safari on left, firefox on right).
Mar 6, 2013 5:37 AM
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Looks like the Kozlova/Novikova/Engstrom(?) pack is going strong en route to 8. Reigning champion Malchikova seems to be having a good race, flying solo and gaining about a minute on Tarasenko. The men's side looks like a race of many colored worms.
What is (reigning men's champion) Tunis doing? He seems to be returning to the start after only going a few hundred meters.
What is (reigning men's champion) Tunis doing? He seems to be returning to the start after only going a few hundred meters.
Mar 6, 2013 5:37 AM
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Kozlova seems like a tough competitor; Engstrom's GPS might not be the only thing that died.
Mar 6, 2013 5:40 AM
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Biggins is in! His time is 1:31:39, currently in fifth. Also Tunis is heading back out again - maybe he had a broken pole or a ghettomap or something. He's lost about four minutes though, so it looks unlikely he will repeat.
Mar 6, 2013 5:41 AM
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The Finish women are dominating again - the four of them are currently in 1st through 4th, in times of 57-59 minutes.
Mar 6, 2013 5:43 AM
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Adrian is in! 1:31:54, a few seconds behind Greg. I presume there will be some trash talking back at lodgings.
Mar 6, 2013 5:44 AM
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Ali's in! 59:27, currently in 6th! Looks like a really fast race from Ali; she's sitting 3 minutes back of currently leader Mariya Kechkina.
For reference, the winning time in 2011 was 39:52 among the women and 40:13 among the men. Oops.
For reference, the winning time in 2011 was 39:52 among the women and 40:13 among the men. Oops.
Mar 6, 2013 5:47 AM
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I think Rognstad DNF'd; her GPS dot is stationary at the finish way before it should have been. Kozlova has dropped Novikova. Tarasenko is on her way to the finish now.
Mar 6, 2013 5:50 AM
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And it looks like Tove's absence was due to GPS issues and not race issues - she just finished in 2nd, 47s behind Mariya Kechkina. TV interview guy just talked about Biggins.
Mar 6, 2013 5:53 AM
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Scott is in! Time is 1:28:16, scooting ahead of Biggins and Adrian - he's currently in 15th.
Mar 6, 2013 5:56 AM
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In F21, the Russians Kozlova and Kravchenko are dominating. Kozlova has passed Novikova (4 minutes ahead) solidly, and Kravchenko is about four minutes behind Kozlova (started six minutes ahead).
Maybe Kozlova benefited from catching Engstrom and Novikova - she's in the lead in 54:57 a full minute ahead of 3rd place Kechkina. I'm pretty sure Kravchenko is going to stomp on Kozlova's time, though.
I take back the Finnish dominance - the Russians are killing it.
Maybe Kozlova benefited from catching Engstrom and Novikova - she's in the lead in 54:57 a full minute ahead of 3rd place Kechkina. I'm pretty sure Kravchenko is going to stomp on Kozlova's time, though.
I take back the Finnish dominance - the Russians are killing it.
Mar 6, 2013 5:58 AM
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Yeah, it looks like Ali is top 15! She finished 18th last year, and the top of the field is really tightly packed this year. Ali had a phenomenal race - last year, she was 22% back. It looks like Kravchenko will win in a dominating 53:37, two minutes ahead of 3rd place, and Ali is 9% back of Kravchenko's time.
I'd guess Ali will finish in 12th, since Rognstad dnf'd and Hellberg probably won't beat Ali.
I'd guess Ali will finish in 12th, since Rognstad dnf'd and Hellberg probably won't beat Ali.
Mar 6, 2013 6:08 AM
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Twelve of the top thirteen women are from Russia, Sweden, and Finland.
Mar 6, 2013 6:18 AM
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Yeah, very solid race from Alex, and a big improvement on her 2011 middle!
Mar 6, 2013 1:54 PM
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AliC:
Just to say it's really great to read you guys following this when we finally get internet again the evening after the race (the media steal it all afternoon, no wifi...)
Anyways, tomorrow's (or tonight's for most of you) mixed sprint relay team will be myself and Scott, starting at 11am here, 10pm EST. There are 12 teams total, with our close rivals likely to be Ukraine, Estonia, Japan.
Anyways, tomorrow's (or tonight's for most of you) mixed sprint relay team will be myself and Scott, starting at 11am here, 10pm EST. There are 12 teams total, with our close rivals likely to be Ukraine, Estonia, Japan.
Mar 6, 2013 4:21 PM
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Go TeamUSA! Awesome showing - especially Ali and Alex!
Best of wishes for the relays.
Best of wishes for the relays.
Mar 7, 2013 2:43 AM
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A couple of photos of our guys from the organizers' sets (copied to another site for speed):
Adrian (sprint)
Ali (sprint)
Adrian (sprint)
Ali (sprint)
Mar 7, 2013 3:00 AM
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The uni-watcher in me is wondering why they have to wear the bibs when there aren't any numbers or identification on them (maybe on the back?). If there's no practical reason to wear them, then it's annoying to have the event bib cover up the national jerseys. Also, I've never seen a map holder hole specifically designed into a piece of athletic apparel before.
Mar 7, 2013 3:07 AM
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The bib is probably a GPS (or dummy brick) holder - pocket on the back?
Mar 7, 2013 3:19 AM
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I'd be a wreck the next day if I stayed up for the midnight action. But it's exciting in the morning to read this thread like a play by play. Go USA!
Mar 7, 2013 3:39 AM
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Those style bibs are common for ski-o events. There is probably a number on the back.
Mar 7, 2013 4:06 AM
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Yes, there's a number on the back. Ed, check out the jumbotron hanging from your trusses in the background. Hanging from ratchet straps no less :)
Mar 7, 2013 4:25 AM
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I already asked Alex to get some better pictures of it. It looks like an element labs (now barco) style display. Its made up of fanfold panes that pack flat into a road case. To set it up, you assemble the truss towers, and the cross beam. The crossbeam is on winches and can move up and down. With it lowered above the roadcases, you attach the straps, and then just lift the beam. As it raises, it unfold the panels out of their case into a large display.
I've got 30,000 extra oval leds anytime you want to start soldering them into panels...
I've got 30,000 extra oval leds anytime you want to start soldering them into panels...
Mar 7, 2013 4:54 AM
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I'm running a bit behind on tonight's action, starting in ten minutes!
Mixed Relay, mass start, starting 11 AM Kazakh time, midnight EST!
Team list: http://sportident.ru/ol/
Racing for the US are Ali Crocker and Scott Pleban. It looks like they each go out thrice, for a total of six legs. There are twelve total teams. Favorites probably have to be Sweden with Tove Alexandersson and Peter Arnesson and Russia with Anastasia Kravchenko and Andrei Lamov.
Arnesson and Lamov have gone 1-2 in both the middle and the sprint. Tove and Kravchenko traded victories on the sprint and middle, so I think Sweden has to be the favorite.
Mixed Relay, mass start, starting 11 AM Kazakh time, midnight EST!
Team list: http://sportident.ru/ol/
Racing for the US are Ali Crocker and Scott Pleban. It looks like they each go out thrice, for a total of six legs. There are twelve total teams. Favorites probably have to be Sweden with Tove Alexandersson and Peter Arnesson and Russia with Anastasia Kravchenko and Andrei Lamov.
Arnesson and Lamov have gone 1-2 in both the middle and the sprint. Tove and Kravchenko traded victories on the sprint and middle, so I think Sweden has to be the favorite.
Mar 7, 2013 5:02 AM
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Still no vid for me. I can't even see the pre-recorded ones from the previous days. Obviously some problem with my machine. Will try at work tomorrow.
Mar 7, 2013 5:03 AM
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Ah, some nice Pirates of the Caribbean music coming from the event center.
Mar 7, 2013 5:05 AM
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Video just said 6min to start, online results say they have been out for 5min.
Mar 7, 2013 5:05 AM
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I think I'll still be at work by the end of the race... long day...
Mar 7, 2013 5:06 AM
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Yeah, Ed - the channel is off air. They aren't streaming the sprint relay. They displayed interval start data.
Mar 7, 2013 5:07 AM
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Looks like no tracking. I'll have to be happy with just the leg split updates (sigh).
Mar 7, 2013 5:07 AM
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Then what is the video that I'm watching? I must be from another day?
Mar 7, 2013 5:08 AM
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Alex said yesterday that both the spectator and go control were radios, they just aren't getting that data online.
Mar 7, 2013 5:09 AM
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The US finished 12/23 in the sprint relay in 2011 with Ali and Biggins skiing. The bib numbers from the live results correspond to the finish order (ignoring nations that are absent, like 2011 8th place Lithuanian). As you can see, the field is enriched for fast countries - 8 of the 11 countries that beat the US in 2011 are back, whereas only 3/11 behind the US are back.
Mar 7, 2013 5:10 AM
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@edwarddes - Yeah, the lower right indicator in the video interface says "off air." I'm not sure what's playing.
Mar 7, 2013 5:11 AM
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Kravchenko (Russia) in second on the first leg in 9:22, Ulvensen (Norway) leading in 9:21. The defending champs turning in a strong showing today. The winning time in 2011 was 1:05, so I guess the expected winning time on each of the legs is about ten minutes.
Mar 7, 2013 5:12 AM
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Russia's the defending champ, but Sweden's Peter Arnesson won both the sprint and middle. Russia's man Lamov came in second on both races, and Tove and Kravchenko traded victories on the sprint and middle. I would say Sweden is a very slight favorite over Russia.
Mar 7, 2013 5:14 AM
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The team reports that conditions are less brutal than yesterday, but it's drizzly and warm. It also didn't freeze overnight, so the snow is probably fairly soft. Does anyone know what that means for wax and ski conditions? My guess is that the snow will be slower, and it will be easy to sink.
Mar 7, 2013 5:15 AM
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Looks like there is some latency in the results - only Norway, Russia, and Kazakhstan have finish times, but it's inconceivable that the rest of the field would be five+ minutes back.
Mar 7, 2013 5:16 AM
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Skis will be fast again. The flouros can make a ton of difference with all the moisture.
Track conditions are really a problem though. Greg was having a lot of trouble getting up hills yesterday in the soft conditions, today will probably be worse for the heavy guys.
Track conditions are really a problem though. Greg was having a lot of trouble getting up hills yesterday in the soft conditions, today will probably be worse for the heavy guys.
Mar 7, 2013 5:17 AM
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Legs will be heavily forked, so we won't know the real order until all the legs are skied.
Mar 7, 2013 5:17 AM
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And almost all the Leg 1 results are in! Ali had a great leg in 10:53, currently in 9th, 1:32 behind leader Norway. It's not clear if she had a longer leg, but she's in a great position. Finland is sitting in fifth only 13 seconds ahead of Ali.
Mar 7, 2013 5:19 AM
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Man, I wish we knew the leg lengths. It's going to be hard to predict who is doing well without more information. Tove is 79 seconds back of Kravchenko, so I might have to eat my words about Sweden.
Looks like Norway is the first result reported for leg 2, in 18:31.
Looks like Norway is the first result reported for leg 2, in 18:31.
Mar 7, 2013 5:20 AM
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Ok, US in 9th, but a tight pack. Video about to start with 10 min delay.
Mar 7, 2013 5:21 AM
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Looks like the first pack is all in on the second leg - Norway still leading, with Kazakhstan, Russia, and Switzerland about a minute back. Russia and Switzerland have been exactly tied on both legs.
Mar 7, 2013 5:23 AM
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Sweden and Bulgaria gaining on the first pack, 1:20 and 1:37 back on leader Norway after the second leg. Second through eight are separated by less than a minute.
Mar 7, 2013 5:25 AM
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Let's go, Scott! DIG DEEP!! Perhaps we should send the official US vuvuzelaer Ross Smith to Kazakhstan.
Mar 7, 2013 5:29 AM
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Second leg: And results delay! Scott is in 10th, in 23:17! Without knowing leg lengths, the US is about three minutes back of the densest pack.
Mar 7, 2013 5:31 AM
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Third leg: Kazakhstan takes the lead over Norway, with a time of 29:04 to 29:55! Finland and Sweden are right with Norway in a Scandinavian trio.
Mar 7, 2013 5:32 AM
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Woah, I didn't notice that was Kazakhstan in the lead, they had an awesome leg.
Mar 7, 2013 5:32 AM
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Third leg: Bulgaria, Estonia, and Switzerland all finish in a pack separated by six seconds, about two minutes back of leading Kazakhstan. No results reported for Russia yet.
Mar 7, 2013 5:32 AM
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Did Bulgaria and Estonia field teams in 2011? They seem to be overachieving based on their bib numbers.
Mar 7, 2013 5:32 AM
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Is the video a stationary camera with no action? Because that's what I've got.
Mar 7, 2013 5:33 AM
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Third leg: Kravchenko finishes in 31:17 (leg time 11:47), well back of Kazakhstan Novikova's leg time of 9:38. Dunno leg lengths.
Mar 7, 2013 5:35 AM
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Third leg: Ali finishes in 33:25, currently in tenth place! USA is five seconds back of Czech Republic, two minutes out of eighth. Ali had a fast leg of 10:08, but again no idea how long each leg is. Could be 2k, could be 20k.
Mar 7, 2013 5:35 AM
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@Ian, How do you keep updating everything a few seconds in front of me?
Mar 7, 2013 5:37 AM
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Concerning the 2011 results: Even though the US finished dead center of the pack (12/23), among the 2013 teams present, Estonia (bib 12) didn't participate in 2011, and Bulgaria (bib 11) DNF'd, so the only team present that the US beat was Japan.
Mar 7, 2013 5:38 AM
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@cedercreek, video is not live from today. There doesn't seem to be any tracking or video today.
Mar 7, 2013 5:39 AM
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what I'd *really* like to know is why leg4 and leg5 have narrower columns in the results. Its highly suspicious......
Mar 7, 2013 5:40 AM
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@edwarddes: Maybe it helps that I'm on ethernet and not Wifi? My bits have performance enhancers.
Mar 7, 2013 5:40 AM
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Fourth leg! First results: Finland (?) takes the lead in 39:04, with Sweden in second in 39:53! Finland and Sweden were both a minute back of Kazakhstan on leg 3.
Mar 7, 2013 5:40 AM
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Oleg:
From Bulletin 4
Length by straight line/ shortest sensible route (km)
W/M 1,6-1,9 / 2,0-2,5
Length by straight line/ shortest sensible route (km)
W/M 1,6-1,9 / 2,0-2,5
Mar 7, 2013 5:41 AM
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It's going to be interesting to find out what the forking was like. I suspect there was a large variance in leg lengths.
Mar 7, 2013 5:42 AM
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Fourth leg: holy cow, eight teams separated by 1:37. Finland with a narrow 47 second lead, with Sweden, Kazakhstan, Switzerland, and Norway in a 25s range.
Mar 7, 2013 5:48 AM
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Fourth leg: And Scott is in! Time of 46:33, currently in tenth. It looks like Czech Republic sitting in ninth has broken away from the US with a three minute lead, but without leg length knowledge, it's hard to say. Consider the time shuffles from leg 2 to 4: (Norway 21:46 to Finland's 18:48).
Mar 7, 2013 5:50 AM
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Fifth leg: Sweden takes the lead! Tove Alexandersson puts the afterburners on, glides past Finland's Pesu, and erases a 47 second deficit with a time of 49:08 to 49:34.
Mar 7, 2013 5:52 AM
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Fifth leg: Bulgaria and Norway are 3rd and 4th, but both over 1:20 behind Sweden. It looks like defending champs Russia are pretty far out of contention.
Update: Russia and Switzerland still together (maybe same forking?) five seconds apart, two minutes behind leading Sweden.
Update: Russia and Switzerland still together (maybe same forking?) five seconds apart, two minutes behind leading Sweden.
Mar 7, 2013 5:54 AM
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Arnesson has been owning Finland's Tunis at races this week like Norway owns vast natural gas reserves, so if their legs are comparable length and snow conditions are like yesterday, you have to like Sweden for the win.
Mar 7, 2013 5:57 AM
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That made me go and look up proven natural gas reserves. Finland has 0. How can you expect to compete against anyone when you can't even bring some gas?
Mar 7, 2013 5:57 AM
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Let's go Ali!! Race like you were chasing some delicious toasted crumpets!
Mar 7, 2013 6:00 AM
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Sixth leg results: Sweden takes the win, ostensibly 35s over Czech Republic!!
I suspect a problem with the results, though, unless Czech Republic somehow skied the last leg in 5:14 compared to Sweden's 9:25.
I suspect a problem with the results, though, unless Czech Republic somehow skied the last leg in 5:14 compared to Sweden's 9:25.
Mar 7, 2013 6:02 AM
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"Czech Republic eschews conventional performance enhancers in favor of rocket packs?"
Mar 7, 2013 6:14 AM
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Ali is an astrologer, after all; maybe she figured out how to go back in time while out on the fifth leg.
Mar 7, 2013 6:19 AM
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So, while we are waiting for the Kazaks to work out the results details, please note that tomorrow is a rest day. The Relay will start at Friday 11 PM EST, and the Long will start on Saturday at 11 PM EST.
The best US Ski-O individual finish was Ali's 8th place on the long in 2011, 6% back of Helene Söderlund. Can the Americans do better this year?
The best US Ski-O individual finish was Ali's 8th place on the long in 2011, 6% back of Helene Söderlund. Can the Americans do better this year?
Mar 7, 2013 6:29 AM
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Geez, Scott! After Ali's negative 24-minute perforance, you follow that up with a 49-minute leg? ;-)
Everyone is in now!
Everyone is in now!
Mar 7, 2013 8:01 AM
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AliC:
So unfortunately have to report that I mispunched on my second leg. Feels terrible because it's not messing up just my own race, but also Scott's. There is really no good excuse for it, I think my brain saw the '33' and then looked at the map, possibly upside down and thought that that fit the bill for the required '53'. But really, both the going in and leaving were sketchy, so blah, I just should have done better.
Mar 7, 2013 10:47 PM
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Aarrrgh! The curse is still alive. !@#$ and bummer. Biggins or Ed to do: Control Code verification video app.
But now done - and next; two more great races. Go, Ali.
Updated control permanence: Find control, verify code (correctly!), punch in, drink/eat - if applicable.
But now done - and next; two more great races. Go, Ali.
Updated control permanence: Find control, verify code (correctly!), punch in, drink/eat - if applicable.
Mar 8, 2013 12:00 AM
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bubo:
I found some reports/interviews (in Swedish) from Swedish television:
Peter Arnesson & Tove Alexandersson, Sprint, Gold
Peter Arnesson, Middle Distance, Gold
Josefine Engström, Middle Distance, Bronze
Peter Arnesson & Tove Alexandersson, Sprint Relay, Gold
Even if you don´t understand what they are sayin you´ll get a feel for the conditions in the pouring rain by looking at the background...
Peter Arnesson & Tove Alexandersson, Sprint, Gold
Peter Arnesson, Middle Distance, Gold
Josefine Engström, Middle Distance, Bronze
Peter Arnesson & Tove Alexandersson, Sprint Relay, Gold
Even if you don´t understand what they are sayin you´ll get a feel for the conditions in the pouring rain by looking at the background...
Mar 8, 2013 1:32 AM
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AliC says: Yes!! Woke up to a couple of inches of fresh snow here in Ridder City, Kaz. Will make ski-orienteering way more fun Sat+Sun! (Relay + Long)
Mar 8, 2013 1:33 AM
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Also, Oleg's weather link looked like the temps would be at or below freezing for the remainder.
Mar 8, 2013 1:46 AM
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Mar 9, 2013 1:26 AM
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Live results for todays relay will be at: http://sportident.ru/ol/
Team orders have been posted there, and it looks like we will finally have some radio control results online.
Team orders have been posted there, and it looks like we will finally have some radio control results online.
Mar 9, 2013 3:24 AM
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Oleg:
Live video:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ski-woc-1
Tracking:
http://sportrec.navirec.com/ui/#18jkjp3
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ski-woc-1
Tracking:
http://sportrec.navirec.com/ui/#18jkjp3
Mar 9, 2013 4:02 AM
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First womens leg is out. No map with the GPS tracking, but you can already see the forking.
Mar 9, 2013 4:10 AM
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We've lost Alex's signal.
KAZ seems to be taking some unique routes.
KAZ seems to be taking some unique routes.
Mar 9, 2013 4:12 AM
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I think the pack in the upper right is the second leg skiers warming up in the arena.
Mar 9, 2013 4:14 AM
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Yes, those are the leg two skiers. They will trade the tracker between leg one and three.
Mar 9, 2013 4:15 AM
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RUS has a nice lead with everyone else in a close pack.
Maybe KAZ is the only one on that forking for this leg? Or they just want a scenic view?
Maybe KAZ is the only one on that forking for this leg? Or they just want a scenic view?
Mar 9, 2013 4:16 AM
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hopefully they put a working tracker on Ali and not Alex's dead one...
Mar 9, 2013 4:17 AM
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The second USA tracker also is wonky. Unless Anna went for a really long warmup.
Mar 9, 2013 4:26 AM
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The video is not from today. It was live for a while, and then has dropped offline.
Mar 9, 2013 4:27 AM
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It looked so sunny I assumed it couldn't have been one of the early races, but yeah, nothing made sense for today.
Mar 9, 2013 4:38 AM
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Alex is through the tag, gaining 10 sec on CZE in the last loop. I think 6th is a best ever position for the US on their first leg?
Mar 9, 2013 4:55 AM
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To compare first leg placings the one you'll want to check is Sandy Stripp (now Sandy Tetreault) in 1994. I don't remember her place now but she was not far behind the leaders, maybe a minute or less? orienteering.org results only show total team times. Are there more detailed results somewhere else?
Mar 9, 2013 4:57 AM
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Tarasenko passed RCP1. SWE 2:01 back. Time for Tove to show her stuff.
Mar 9, 2013 4:58 AM
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SWE has closed the gap by one min on RUS at the first radio, now only 2min back.
Mar 9, 2013 5:09 AM
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I see. Tove does not care for the tracker. Not nice to us. Or the trackers don't like Tove.
Mar 9, 2013 5:32 AM
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Anyone know how to install flash in a location other than Applications on a mac?
Mar 9, 2013 5:36 AM
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If you can get the "Flash Player.plugin" file out of the installer package, you should be able to just drop it into "~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins"
Mar 9, 2013 5:53 AM
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PG:
If you want to see the map, just adjust the tails to "from start". Gives a pretty good idea.
Mar 9, 2013 6:32 AM
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Ed, I managed to find the file "Flash Player.plugin.lzma" inside the installer package, but I can't find a utility that will uncompress it.
Mar 9, 2013 6:39 AM
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I already tried 7zX (mac version of 7-zip). Didn't work. I also tried several versions of tar, keka, something else I forget. All of them claimed they could do it, but none actually did.
Mar 9, 2013 6:44 AM
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Is there a winner? Results not updated, but those three are no longer on course.
Mar 9, 2013 6:45 AM
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It's maddening without the map. The skiers just keep taking this routes and you don't know why!
Mar 9, 2013 6:50 AM
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bubo:
OK, so Swedish hopes for gold turned into two silver performances with Russia taking gold and Finland bronze in both relays. Rather disappointing for Norway...
Mar 9, 2013 6:52 AM
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EST with a small mistake on 16, so they ended up spread at the finish. Would really like to see the map 15-16 at the end there.
Mar 9, 2013 12:27 PM
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Hey guys - thanks for following! Sorry the gps stuff didn't quite work out. They weren't showing the map because they didn't want to have to share the terrain, and with the middle distance, they showed the map, so some teams had people at home screen capture the map, to study later, but the organizers were hoping to keep the map secret. Anyway, this time I guess they don't show any maps to anyone.
It was great weather out there, which made spectating a lot of fun. I had a good start, ahead of Switzerland and Czech Republic (and a very lost norwegian) and Kaz, but unfortunately I broke a ski between 5-6, so lost ~2-3min between there and the stadium. A frustrating thing for a relay, but anything can happen in orienteering.
The men skied well, very close to each other, and Adrian snuck past Germany in the last leg! Japan skied a very good race (though there is some question of a mispunch, to be resolved), and it was fun to have a race for our relay.
At the front, Russia took the lead after Norway broke skis on leg 1 and leg 2, and Finland and Sweden came down to a sprint, won by a boot throw by Arnesson.
Long distance tomorrow - hopefully Ali gets a tracker! Thanks again for following along!
It was great weather out there, which made spectating a lot of fun. I had a good start, ahead of Switzerland and Czech Republic (and a very lost norwegian) and Kaz, but unfortunately I broke a ski between 5-6, so lost ~2-3min between there and the stadium. A frustrating thing for a relay, but anything can happen in orienteering.
The men skied well, very close to each other, and Adrian snuck past Germany in the last leg! Japan skied a very good race (though there is some question of a mispunch, to be resolved), and it was fun to have a race for our relay.
At the front, Russia took the lead after Norway broke skis on leg 1 and leg 2, and Finland and Sweden came down to a sprint, won by a boot throw by Arnesson.
Long distance tomorrow - hopefully Ali gets a tracker! Thanks again for following along!
Mar 9, 2013 1:47 PM
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AliC:
According to start list, both Greg and I should have GPSs tomorrow. Hope we do in fact get them and they work smoothly! 10am for the women's start and 11.30am for the men. We don't yet have distances/numbers of laps/stadium lay out because they are finalizing courses as we speak, hopefully successfully having rebuilt some bridges to allow us into new terrain!
Mar 9, 2013 2:57 PM
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I dunno about you guys racing, but as a spectator I'm exhausted :) Late night last night, up early to go race this morning. Another late one tonight followed by an even earlier start tomorrow to hang controls, including the hour lost to DST. A nap is in the cards for Sunday afternoon.
Seriously, its been great fun watching. Although I haven't been able to get the video working, the tracking and live results have been remarkably good. The issues about not being able to show the map have certainly impacted the remote spectating experience. Will have to keep that in mind for any event that intends to use live tracking. Its far less interesting without the map under the dots.
Best of luck tonight guys! We'll be watching.
Seriously, its been great fun watching. Although I haven't been able to get the video working, the tracking and live results have been remarkably good. The issues about not being able to show the map have certainly impacted the remote spectating experience. Will have to keep that in mind for any event that intends to use live tracking. Its far less interesting without the map under the dots.
Best of luck tonight guys! We'll be watching.
Mar 9, 2013 3:40 PM
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WishIcould stay up and follow along, but so thrilling to read the blow by blow aft wards , you guys are awesome!
Mar 9, 2013 9:24 PM
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bubo:
Maybe not quite as exhausting to follow from Sweden, but 4:00 or 5:00 mornings are not my favourite time of day...
Video worked for a while here for me but died in the end, tracking was OK the whole time, results/splits too - so viewing experience was pleasant enough. Would have been much better with a map of course, but that´s the way it is right now I guess.
Good luck to all tomorrow - or rather today since this will be very early morning for you in KAZ!
Video worked for a while here for me but died in the end, tracking was OK the whole time, results/splits too - so viewing experience was pleasant enough. Would have been much better with a map of course, but that´s the way it is right now I guess.
Good luck to all tomorrow - or rather today since this will be very early morning for you in KAZ!
Mar 9, 2013 9:45 PM
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I haven't been able to stay up during the week, so the relay was my first chance to watch the tracking. What fun! Have a great long. Go USA!
Mar 9, 2013 10:21 PM
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bubo:
Interesting video from the relay - interviews in Swedish but also lots of filmage from the courses.
Mar 9, 2013 10:43 PM
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PG:
Even with no map, you could have fun changing the tail length. Such as, for the last leg, set the tails at 5 minutes, the Kaz woman had about a 5:30 lead on Ali, and you could easily see where it was narrowing and where not. Or set the tails at "from start" and you could see the whole trail network they were using and then see if someone was taking a less used route.
But it still ain't nowhere close to seeing the map.
But it still ain't nowhere close to seeing the map.
Mar 9, 2013 10:56 PM
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bubo:
Swedish Federation I guess, I think they had a guy with a GoPro cam out on the tracks - like they did in Tänndalen two years ago - not live this time though. From Alex´s account he offered her his ski so he was to some use too...
All other interviews and reports and possible on-site filming are done by two media representatives from Skogssport/SOFT.
All other interviews and reports and possible on-site filming are done by two media representatives from Skogssport/SOFT.
Mar 9, 2013 10:57 PM
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I agree with Peter. I set the tail for 1 min and watched Adrian chase down the German, and then 3 min as he closed on Japan. Good feel for the action.
Mar 9, 2013 11:20 PM
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bl:
Nice to see (in the video) sun, blue sky & fresh snow after reading of torrential rain & downed trees, hardly a skiing venue.
Mar 10, 2013 1:39 AM
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Excellent video. Now we know what the terrain/trails look like and are much better prepared for tonight's battles. It ain't New England, lucky you. And thanks for Alex's new ski!
Mar 10, 2013 4:08 AM
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All right, everyone; we're six minutes into the women's long! The race is mass start. Get psyched!
GPS tracking - with map!
Results - as the night progresses.
It looks like Ali (the only American F21 GPS, unfortunately) is just behind leader Josefine Engstrom and right ahead of Kozlova approaching the first common control!
Weather looks a bit brutal in the live stream, with a steady stream of snow falling.
GPS tracking - with map!
Results - as the night progresses.
It looks like Ali (the only American F21 GPS, unfortunately) is just behind leader Josefine Engstrom and right ahead of Kozlova approaching the first common control!
Weather looks a bit brutal in the live stream, with a steady stream of snow falling.
Mar 10, 2013 4:12 AM
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The map is the same as was used on the sprint, middle, and sprint relay, with a new section of the map on the eastern half of the long course. Oddly enough, it's at 1:12.5k scale; is that unusual for ski-O?
Mar 10, 2013 4:14 AM
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Ali had to peel off due to the forking. Skiing solo now. In 3rd - likely?
Mar 10, 2013 4:14 AM
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Among the GPS tracked skiers, Ali and Engstrom were the only ones with the shortest loop, where the common control is #2.
Mar 10, 2013 4:17 AM
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18 mins in: Ali's off to a fantastic start. Kozlova and Engstrom are absolutely flying.
Mar 10, 2013 4:23 AM
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Looks like Kozlova took a very good route to the northeastern control 6; she gained almost a minute on Ali and Engstrom's higher route. Kozlova's comfortably in the lead, ahead of Engstrom, Pesu, and Ali among the GPS tracks.
Mar 10, 2013 4:23 AM
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Kozlova gained a lot on the lower route. Most - incl. Ali - took an upper. Ali now in 4th.
Mar 10, 2013 4:26 AM
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Whoa, Olsson going off-trail on the way to the northern 7! Madness. She picked up a few seconds and just passed Ali. Ali in a pack with Olsson and Grigorova.
Mar 10, 2013 4:27 AM
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The trail network around 5-9 on both forks looks insanely complicated. Engstrom goes off trail on (7,8) -> 8, gaining some time on Kozlova. These Swedish women do not fear the off-trail.
Mar 10, 2013 4:28 AM
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Engstrom too - and got Kozlova. Then Kozlova screw up. Engstrom in the lead.
Mar 10, 2013 4:31 AM
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bubo:
Alexandersson moving fast from behind! Looked like she was alone on her forking...
Mar 10, 2013 4:31 AM
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Pesu goes off trail! Looks like Olsson-Ali-Grigorova are following Pesu's track. Tove closing in on Ali approaching the western 8! Excitement.
Mar 10, 2013 4:32 AM
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Oops, Grigorova took the wrong fork, looks like she just fell behind the pack.
Mar 10, 2013 4:33 AM
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Holy crap, Kozlova went to the wrong control! I guess she followed Engstrom? 2.5 minute mistake, and her dominant lead is annihilated.
Mar 10, 2013 4:34 AM
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bubo:
Video anyone? Would be nice to see them pass through the map exchange...
Mar 10, 2013 4:35 AM
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34 minutes in: Ali has had the same forks as Engstrom so far in the race, and she's about 90 seconds down. The Swedes are doing really well - maybe they figured out the wax conditions? With Pesu, all three Swedes are in the top 4.
Mar 10, 2013 4:36 AM
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ski-woc-1
The video is choppy, but I am getting intermittent coverage.
The video is choppy, but I am getting intermittent coverage.
Mar 10, 2013 4:37 AM
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Some initial results! Rognstad is the first non-GPS'd skier, currently in 3rd, 15s behind Engstrom. Ali in 6th, 1:36 behind!
http://sportident.ru/ol/
http://sportident.ru/ol/
Mar 10, 2013 4:39 AM
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Alex through the first loop in 38:47! She's about two minutes behind Ali, but I think Ali had one of the shorter forks. Kozlova's right behind Ali; I imagine there's a lot of rage coming from her after her little 2.5 min adventure. Maybe she can melt her way through the snow.
Mar 10, 2013 4:41 AM
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Oh no! It looks like Ali missed her turn to control 1 on the second loop, and Kozlova breaks away. Maybe 45-60s lost, certainly surmountable. Let's go, Ali!
Mar 10, 2013 4:44 AM
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It looks like Kozlova may have missed her turn to control 2. It could be a creative route, I guess, but it looks long.
Mar 10, 2013 4:50 AM
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Engstrom is still killing it. At her control 4 on the second loop, she's about a minute ahead of second place Kravchenko. A new Russian lady has emerged to challenge the Swedes.
Mar 10, 2013 4:51 AM
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bubo:
Ali falling behind after her little mistake and long (?) forking. If Alex is still with Morsky she could be very close behind...
Mar 10, 2013 4:52 AM
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Let's go, Ali! Follow the human meat streamer! "Hey, Tove; is this the lead?"
I can feel the lactic acid sympathetically burn in my quads looking at the climb from (4,5) to 6.
I can feel the lactic acid sympathetically burn in my quads looking at the climb from (4,5) to 6.
Mar 10, 2013 4:55 AM
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The last loop is going to be crazy intense. I think it's probably advantageous to have the longer loop first so you can catch up to and pick off the short-forkers. Tove looks to be in a good position.
Mar 10, 2013 4:59 AM
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Rognstad doesn't have a GPS. She's like Batman. Ali's route choice brought her ahead of Novikova at her control 6! She's just behind Grigorova.
Mar 10, 2013 4:59 AM
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bubo:
Engström and Alexandersson in the lead. Not bad skiing for two girls spending a month at the World Cup in NZE!
Mar 10, 2013 4:59 AM
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The GPS link takes a breeder now and then and the tails are then shrinking.
Mar 10, 2013 5:06 AM
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Ali with Grigorova and Ulvensen at the southern control 7, and in striking distance of Hanchikova! So much suspense. Pesu, Engstrom, and Alexandersson in a lead pack with Kravchenko, Tarasenko, Olsson, and Kozlova in a second pack about a minute back.
Mar 10, 2013 5:07 AM
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Engstrom is definitely a short-forker. Tales of her having a long first fork have been greatly exaggerated.
Ooo, and Engstrom pulls ahead of Tove on the first control after (7,8). Poor Tove had the longer fork on that leg.
Ooo, and Engstrom pulls ahead of Tove on the first control after (7,8). Poor Tove had the longer fork on that leg.
Mar 10, 2013 5:07 AM
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bubo:
Ali in 11th among the GPS´s but there could be a few others involved. Top 15?
Mar 10, 2013 5:08 AM
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Don't count her out yet; she's with a big pack and has good afterburners.
Mar 10, 2013 5:09 AM
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bubo:
Three Russians chasing hard. Also three Swedes and a Finn among top 7 if not Rognstad is with them too. We´ll see at the splits very soon.
Mar 10, 2013 5:10 AM
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Oh, no; Ali is going to the wrong fork after (7,8)! She's revisiting control 8.
But yay, she caught it!
But yay, she caught it!
Mar 10, 2013 5:12 AM
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Wow, according to the live stream commentator, Rognstad is in third.
Mar 10, 2013 5:12 AM
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Yeah, it's not the first time the live results have been a bit bogus.
Mar 10, 2013 5:14 AM
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bubo:
Rongstad has been "resting" with a stomach bug. Maybe she´s motivated for a good race - wonder who she´s with?
Mar 10, 2013 5:17 AM
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Tove and Pesu have a short fork for the third loop; presumably they will be battling it out for the win. Engstrom currently in the lead after #1, but with a longer fork. Come on, Tove; don't let bubo down.
Mar 10, 2013 5:20 AM
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bubo:
Tough climb for Tove up to 2,3,26 but then it´s going to be decided on virgin tracks...
Mar 10, 2013 5:20 AM
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Alex through the arena in 1:18!! She's currently eight minutes back, and within striking distance of top 20!
Mar 10, 2013 5:24 AM
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Maybe she thought she was on the parallel big trail? Could be a rough day for bubo.
Mar 10, 2013 5:26 AM
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Aw, poor Tove; it looks like Pesu has a good lead if she doesn't make any mistakes.
Mar 10, 2013 5:26 AM
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bubo:
Pesu and Engström. Let´s hope Tove can keep the medal position - Russians closing in.
Mar 10, 2013 5:26 AM
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Men's start in 4 mins.
Tracking: http://sportrec.navirec.com/ui/#18ja1g5
Tracking: http://sportrec.navirec.com/ui/#18ja1g5
Mar 10, 2013 5:28 AM
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Nuts, Novikova, Grigorova, and Ulvensen all had the short fork for #3, and gained a bit of time on Ali.
Mar 10, 2013 5:30 AM
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Kozlova, Engstrom, and Alexandersson battling it out!! It's a sprint finish for Silver?
Mar 10, 2013 5:31 AM
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Does anyone know what this "prefinish" and "result" business is? Do they have to do the hokey-pokey after they finish the third leg?
Mar 10, 2013 5:32 AM
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Ooo, apparently Kozlova got Tove by 0.5 seconds for 2nd, Engstrom 0.6s back in fourth. Sorry, bubo; from Russia with love.
Mar 10, 2013 5:38 AM
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Biggins in the house. I don't suppose he tried to get them to use "biggins" for his tracking icon?
Mar 10, 2013 5:40 AM
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What is Lamov doing? Broken ski/pole, or wrong fork? Also, does it sound like the live streaming is in fact an hour behind?
I wonder if having biggins on skis sneak up on you is anything like the gorilla in Catching Features.
I wonder if having biggins on skis sneak up on you is anything like the gorilla in Catching Features.
Mar 10, 2013 5:44 AM
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Ali is finished in 1:34:21, 6:03 behind Pesu. This year's results had less time variance than 2011; the finishers were all much closer. Alex finished in 1:40:19. Very speedy races from the ladies.
Mar 10, 2013 5:47 AM
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It looks like something broke; Lamov back out on the course after visiting the finish. He's over ten minutes back of the leaders, so this doesn't look like it will turn out well for him.
Mar 10, 2013 7:02 AM
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Well bubo, I have to wake up in 3 hrs so I better go to bed now :) Wish I could stay up for the rest. Best of luck to our guys. Will check the results in the morning.
Mar 10, 2013 7:10 AM
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bubo:
Goodnight Eddie! It´s only been an early morning here. Next "project" is Word Cup XC skiing from Lahti on TV ;)
Nice day out but I´m grounded by a stomach bug so will not do anything physical today.
Nice day out but I´m grounded by a stomach bug so will not do anything physical today.
Mar 10, 2013 7:23 AM
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bubo:
Hi Carol, let´s cheer Greg into beating Bergmann. He looked stronger on the flat parts but slower uphill. Soon turning downhill again.
Go Biggins!
Go Biggins!
Mar 10, 2013 7:31 AM
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Guess we didn't quite manage :( Still, good result. I think 35th is a new record for him :)
Mar 10, 2013 7:35 AM
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bubo:
Good night to you in California then?
Turning into a great winters day here in Sweden ;)
Turning into a great winters day here in Sweden ;)
Mar 10, 2013 4:00 PM
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Looking at the tracks and splits now, Tove and Josefine blew it at the end. Tove back 1:20 from FIN on 26-27. Engstrom back :21 on 27-28. Too bad bubo; talk to Tove ;-. But good for FIN to get a gold.
Mar 10, 2013 4:13 PM
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Ethan and I were watching last night as Tove made her mistake. Wondered if maybe she was intentionally heading to 28 (didn't see 27), or if she simply missed the trail.
Mar 10, 2013 4:43 PM
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Oleg (or anyone): Which Satellite Navigation System is used by civilians within the Russian sphere: The Russian GLONASS or US GPS?
Mar 10, 2013 6:58 PM
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I wasn't able to watch any of the live coverage, but the excitement in this thread is palpable, for sure!
Mar 10, 2013 7:04 PM
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Is this the record for the most comments in the shortest length of time?
Mar 10, 2013 10:11 PM
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Oleg:
To NEOC#1. GLONASS receivers appeared on the market only 2 years ago, so they aren't very popular right now and they are mainly used in public transportation and for municipal needs. But many devices (like iPhone 4S) using both GPS and GLONASS to increase accuracy.
Mar 11, 2013 3:05 AM
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Thanks Oleg! Both - intriguing. And I see that dual systems chips are available. Used only by the government earlier, I assume. Wiki-GLONASS
And thanks bubo for the link. Some fine footage. Tove said that she was really wiped at the end where she bombed.
And thanks bubo for the link. Some fine footage. Tove said that she was really wiped at the end where she bombed.
This discussion thread is closed.