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Oct 6, 2008 1:34 PM # 
Cristina:
I assume there's a bit more to the story...? I'm sitting here thinking, "wtf happened to the Saeger sisters?"

Also, link for the trail run map is wrong (4 vs 5).
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Oct 6, 2008 1:41 PM # 
PG:
They went quite a long ways south on the trail. Quite a very long ways. Shows a danger of running in a pack when everyone assumes someone else knows what's going on (or checking the compass in this case, or reading the map). They finished about 25 minutes after me.

Fixed the link.

Trying to get this all done before I head off for some serious physical therapy....
Oct 6, 2008 3:11 PM # 
wilsmith:
Awesome, PG, just awesome. I love your play-by-play race tales. Pretty impressive scalp collection too!

Kicking myself for not coming, although a 15-hour drive each way for 4 hours of running had me wondering if I really did need to get my head checked just for considering it....
Oct 6, 2008 3:15 PM # 
BorisGr:
Impressive result and great write-up! It almost makes me want to go and run the Highlander, but it will be a few more years still, I think.

- Kat
Oct 6, 2008 4:33 PM # 
j-man:
Simply awesome! I am sorry I missed that, both for the orienteering and for the audacious scalping you did.
Oct 6, 2008 9:30 PM # 
dness:
I'm getting a 404 when trying to access the final map. Is the link right?

Also -- when you say the Saeger sisters went too far south on the trail, do you mean that instead of cutting NE towards the parking area, they continued straight towards Lake Kanawauke?

Congrats on your scalps!

Note that even though you weren't satisified with your route to 12 , it was basically identical to the top WOC runners'.
Oct 6, 2008 10:11 PM # 
walk:
Nice run. I thought there was something familiar with legs 12 and 13 and then remembered my one painful adventure at the HH with very similar legs. Interesting the different choice of route this year. Back then we were leaving control 22 when Peggy pointed out wooden refuse in the underbrush - "Look, the control stand from WOC!"
Oct 6, 2008 10:41 PM # 
feet:
I was trying to remember why the approach into 12 seemed familiar. I assumed it was the team trials middle distance course, but I guess it was the 03 Highlander.
Oct 6, 2008 10:48 PM # 
PG:
Dean, I think, and I emphasize think, they left #12 heading just about due south, skirted the east side of the big marsh, climbed a little, hit the small trail near the bend, and then turned right on it instead of left and just kept going as the trail headed first a little southwest, then a little southeast, getting a good way down towards route 106 before realizing the errors of their ways. But for the full story, you need to go to someone who was there (if they know!).

George, for the somewhat different leg through the crap, this time my time for the leg was 15+ minutes per km, in 2003 it was 14+. If we have a similar leg 5 years from now, and I am there, I'll be lucky to do 20+. And I'll don't think I'll particularly enjoy it then either. Unless, because of the ways that some others may go, it gives the opportunity for some more scalps. :-)
Oct 7, 2008 12:01 AM # 
jjcote:
To corroborate what PG said: halfway between #9 and #10, as I was crossing the trail, a train consisting of Hillary and Samantha followed by what looked like 6-8 cadets were heading down the trail. I was perplexed. I asked later, and was told that they were at that point on their way from #12 to #13, and when they finally realized where they were, they turned around and went back up the trail instead of taking the road to #13. Inscrutable.
Oct 7, 2008 12:40 AM # 
PG:
Here's another tidbit from the train. At some point walking up a short hill, I think it was after crossing the narrow marsh just after 7, I asked a cadet in front of me if he intended to do any orienteering on his own, with I'm sure a tone of voice that implied some disdain for the fact that he was just following. He turned and said very politely that he normally went on the Orange course. And I believe I said something like, well, then you're doing exactly the right thing, this time in an approving tone of voice.

As much as following in the Highlander or the Billygoat is an accepted part of the game, and certainly often results in a better, sometimes much better, time than you might get on your own, and also gives you a better sense of how quickly a better orienteer moves through a course, I think it also limits your progress in the sport if it becomes a regular practice. And takes away the satisfaction and confidence gained from doing a course, or at least parts of a course, on your own.

On the other hand, that course in that terrain was maybe not the best time to venture off on your own. But even when following, enough attention should be paid to map and compass that you would think someone would have said, Why are we going south (or even somewhat southwest)?
Oct 7, 2008 2:04 AM # 
walk:
I remembered the route you took to 12 as being similar to my unenjoyable experience from back then. I had admired your trail route then. Would have been much more likely to know my location on the leg but was able to hang on to Peggy and Bernie who seemed to know the area.

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