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| # Posted 2008-06-12 06:24:49 | |
| GregBalter: | I am starting summer training series in Harriman State Park.
First training will take place on Southern Part of Surebridge Mountain map. Date - Sunday, June 15, 2008 Time - all, who are interested shell be at the parking lot no later then 12:00. Where - Route 106 - 2.5 km West of Kanawauke Circle Maps are preprinted, scale 1:10000, contours 5 meters Standard size controls, no punches. Course: 4.8 km, 250 m climb. If there interest of bringing kids - I will show them basics skills of non-linear objects orienteering (some what advanced). You are responsible for your own hydration and food. Controls will be collected after 1:30 PM. |
| # Posted 2008-06-13 05:22:44 | |
| fredder: | Let us know when/if you have other dates planned in the series. I'd have to do some advance planning to get there--and would probably want to solicit some ride sharing from DVOA land. |
| # Posted 2008-06-13 18:15:13 | |
| Highlander: | Expect to try to make a bunch of these, but have family obligations for this weekend - it being Father's Day and all. Should be able to make next Sunday. Thanks for organizing this. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 00:27:03 | |
| Bernard: | The only reason I moved up next to Harriman was so that I could attend Gregory's training events and still have time to do fatherly duties. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 00:36:35 | |
| eddie: | Father, is it a sin not to attend Gregory's training series? |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 00:49:46 | |
| Bernard: | It is not a sin but those who attend the session will be rewarded with Heavenly Terrain and Devine Courses set by His Holiness Greg. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 00:56:25 | |
| piutepro: | The bridge near Kanawauke Circle is shut down since March. People need to come via Rte. 17 to Rte 106. The intersection is a few miles north of Tuxedo on Rte. 17.
I called the Harriman State park ranger a minute ago and she confirmed, that 106 is closed. As far as I remember one can cross the bridge on foot or mtb and get to the start this way. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 01:32:58 | |
| GregBalter: | In light of route 106 being closed I have to move this training to Lake Skannatati parking lot, 1 km North-East of Kanawauke Circle. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 01:38:30 | |
| GregBalter: | For future events - this is only informal training; I am not making any advanced plans. I will make announcements on Wednesday before the weekend training and post in this thread. Most of the time it is going to be one day only, and some people in our group are working Saturdays, so it is most likely to take place on Sundays. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 02:15:37 | |
| Highlander: | Since I pass through Harriman on my way home on Friday and usually stop for a run (like tonight), let me know if you might need any set-up help before any "event". Gotta run..or in my case gotta walk/run. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 03:06:04 | |
| piutepro: | You mean the Fishermen's Wharf parking, right below the 7 Lake Drive, correct? |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 03:58:26 | |
| GregBalter: | To Daniel - yes. |
| # Posted 2008-06-14 04:08:04 | |
| GregBalter: | Thanks Paul for offering help. Set up is usually minimal, I would rather have you come and train with us :) |
| # Posted 2008-06-16 21:53:53 | |
| feet: | Trivia questions: a) how many lakes are on Seven Lakes Dr? and b) what are the seven lakes? |
| # Posted 2008-06-16 23:51:17 | |
| jjcote: | Question a) comes down to judgment calls on what qualifies as a lake.
Question b) has two answers: the modern one (which I can name without peeking), and the classical one, dating back to when the road got its name, but it took a somewhat different course that it does now! |
| # Posted 2008-06-17 00:03:39 | |
| randy: | Question a) comes down to judgment calls on what qualifies as a lake.
I guess it depends on who you believe. Poking around the net a bit, 2 ha seems to have the preponderance of support as the lower limit, tho there doesn't seem to be total consensus on that definition. Here's the wikipedia writeup, FWIW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake |
| # Posted 2008-06-17 00:18:39 | |
| jjcote: | Harriman Trails — A Guide and History, by William J. Myles, claims that Seven Lakes Drive passes nine lakes, but it doesn't list them, so I don't know what the other two are that he's counting. But, for example, how many lakes are there named Lake Kanawaukee? |
| # Posted 2008-06-17 20:49:51 | |
| Bernard: | Lets assume that to be counted as a lake that 7 lakes drives passes by, the lake must be visible from the road. We have the following lakes (south to north)
- Lake Sebago - Lake Kanawauke - Lake Skanatati - Lake Askoti - Lake Tiorati - Lake Nawahunta - Silver Mine Lake - Queensboro Lake - Hessian Lake Indeed 9. If the assumption is that you should be able to throw a rock into the the lake from the road, the number goes down to 6 or 7 depending on how good a throw you have. |
| # Posted 2008-06-17 21:39:47 | |
| jjcote: | Ah! You know what, I thought Seven Lakes Drive stopped at Long Mountain Circle, and I didn't realize that it was still called Seven Lakes Drive on the south side of Bear Mountain, after it crosses the Palisades. I was thinking that was Perkins, and didn't realize that Perkins was just the spur road to the summit (because that's all that the road signs mention). So I hadn't been counting Queensboro and Hessian.
The original route turned at Kanawauke Circle and followed what is now Rte. 106 west, and Lake Stahahe was one of the lakes, and maybe Little Long Pond as well, but some of the other lakes (such as Tiorati) didn't exist at the time, because the dams had not yet been built. |
| # Posted 2008-06-20 21:11:08 | |
| Highlander: | Hmmm.. no training this weekend? |
| # Posted 2008-06-20 23:51:09 | |
| GregBalter: | No, too many injured bodies around, trying to heal :( |
| # Posted 2008-06-21 02:38:27 | |
| Joe: | wcoc meet at Crandalls park on sunday |
| # Posted 2008-06-22 03:07:31 | |
| feet: | Wrapping up the trivia: Myles thinks that the original lakes were Hessian, Queensboro, Nawahunta, Tiorati, Kanawauke, Little Long Pond, and Stahahe. (Further trivia: Hessian Lake is named for the bodies of Hessian troops thrown in in 1777. It was called Bloody Pond for a while after that.) |
| # Posted 2008-06-24 07:29:59 | |
| GuyO: | Greg: What are the chances for a training activity over the 4th of July weekend? |
| # Posted 2008-06-24 08:12:04 | |
| jjcote: | Yeah, I was remembering wrong, Tiorati was one of the original seven, because it (along with Kanawaukee and Nawahunta) was dammed in 1915, the year that Seven Lakes Drive was built. Prior to that, Tiorati was two smaller ponds, whose names live on in the Cedar Pond Campground. Silvermine, Skannatati, Askoti and Sebago were all dammed up later. There is a bit of a weird thing going on in my opinion, that Kanawaukee is considered one lake, but separate from Little Long Pond. Seems to me that it should either be all one lake, or else it should be three.
You mean you have a copy of Myles as well, feet? |
| # Posted 2008-06-24 21:54:15 | |
| Bernard: | Besides O training, please keep in mind some of other options available for a fun 4th of july weekend in Harriman :
- Trail running - Swimming (*) - Rock Climbing (*) - Rogaine training - Mountain biking (*) - Camping - Backpacking (*) - may require alternate locations. Contact this poster for details - especially if Gregory does not come through! |
| # Posted 2008-06-25 01:14:21 | |
| GregBalter: | Before 4-th we most likely to have training this Sunday - details to follow. |
| # Posted 2008-06-25 01:28:03 | |
| feet: | Bernard: Just for you, I will alter my comment to point out that I don't think you will find any rogaines in need of training at Harriman. All the Harriman rogaines are already fully domesticated.
jjcote: Yes, I am a proud owner of that book. |
| # Posted 2008-06-25 02:08:38 | |
| Bernard: | what do you mean? You must have read my posting incorrectly. Please read carefully. |
| # Posted 2008-06-25 02:16:31 | |
| JanetT: | :-) |
| # Posted 2008-06-26 02:07:04 | |
| GregBalter: | Next training - this Sunday ~ We will be there around 11 AM -at the same parking lot as last time (see above). I will go to set up controls and meet everyone interested at noon by the start triangle. Course is 3.5 km, 15 controls. Bring your own hydration - course loops 3 times around the start, you will have chances to drink. Maps are pre-printed.
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| # Posted 2008-06-26 10:47:52 | |
| GuyO: | Wouldn't the start be a shorter walk from the Lake Kanawauke parking lot? |
| # Posted 2008-06-26 18:33:29 | |
| Bernard: | Greg, your clue sheet seems to cover part of obvious route to the start. What are you hiding under there? |
| # Posted 2008-06-26 18:43:14 | |
| Highlander: | But you have to pay to park at Kanawauke. Looking forward to being there this Sunday. |
| # Posted 2008-06-26 20:54:29 | |
| GregBalter: | Please, take the right route to start, yuo will be exposed to less controls that way :) |
| # Posted 2008-06-27 00:58:21 | |
| JanetT: | take the right route to start
Not that I'm going, but can you clarify for others -- is that North of Lake Skannatati or South? If South, is the large trail hidden by the "clue sheet" easily visible from the road? |
| # Posted 2008-06-28 19:54:01 | |
| dness: | Which part of Rte 106 is closed -- the part coming from the Thruway? |
| # Posted 2008-06-29 04:02:26 | |
| z-man: | Yes. |
| # Posted 2008-06-30 08:41:06 | |
| GregBalter: | We had a good training today, despite the fact that I forgot to bring controls. Thanks everyone for coming - course data for splits is posted, I will post the map on Monday |
| # Posted 2008-06-30 17:56:36 | |
| Highlander: | Thanks Gregory. Enjoyed the course. Good navigation without being too taxing physically - especially given the humid conditions. How is it a actually beat you on a leg. Oh, it's probably a downhill momentum thing. |
| # Posted 2008-07-02 04:02:44 | |
| GregBalter: | I would like to set up training this Saturday - July 5, on one of two maps in New Jersey: either South Mountain or Thorn. If there is a preference for one over another let me know. Plus I will need a map - OCAD or 300 dpi jpeg file. Let me know in next 24 hrs. |
| # Posted 2008-07-02 18:09:55 | |
| Highlander: | Sorry, my OCAD computer in Hamburg has experienced a major system meltdown and a lot of my files are currently unavailable. I know there are other sources of files. Let me know if you want me to look into them. |
| # Posted 2008-07-03 10:08:36 | |
| GuyO: | I have OCAD 6 versions of Lewis Morris / Jockey Hollow and Tourne. |
| # Posted 2008-07-03 21:01:20 | |
| Highlander: | I got to Newark and sent you the South Mtn OCAd file. |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 04:00:54 | |
| GregBalter: | Thanks to Paul Bennett we have a copy of South Mountain map and I will have a course set (7.5 km) for this Saturday, July 5 at noon. Maps are pre-printed.
Start Location Driving directions on HVO web-site |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 04:09:53 | |
| Sandy: | Where is South Mountain? |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 04:13:03 | |
| GregBalter: | South Mountain is in New Jersey - DVOA maps are save :) |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 04:23:17 | |
| Sandy: | But where is that? I might actually make the drive and I've never been. |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 04:45:39 | |
| GregBalter: | Google maps |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 10:10:49 | |
| GuyO: | Arrrrr!
There is some kind of pirate festival -- possibly charging for admission -- going on in the Tulip Springs area, so I'm not sure how well that start location is going to work out. |
| # Posted 2008-07-04 22:26:24 | |
| GuyO: | Never mind.
The pirate fest ended on June 21. See you tomorrow! |
| # Posted 2008-07-05 06:54:56 | |
| Sandy: | Although I know you wouldn't wait, just thought I'd let you know that my plans changed and I can't make it. |
| # Posted 2008-07-05 09:21:00 | |
| GregBalter: | Sandy, you are always welcome - the rules are simple: we set the controls and go running - if anyone is late - the maps are on windshield of red Mazda - I can work with kids if anybody bring them. Controls get collected when everybody is back, usually after 1:30 PM.
Next training is in two weeks, after ROGAINE. |
| # Posted 2008-07-19 03:56:40 | |
| GuyO: | Anything happening this weekend (7/19-20)? |
| # Posted 2008-07-19 04:32:01 | |
| GregBalter: | I am recovering from the ROGAINE - we will do a trail run from parking lot at Lake Skanatati on Sunday, 11:30AM |
| # Posted 2008-07-31 05:17:40 | |
| GregBalter: | Sunday, August 03, noon.
This week training will take place on Pole Brook map I will start setting around 11 AM, and will be ready by noon. The training offers two options: intervals 10 x 300-550m total length ~ 8 km or 6.5 km course running around start area in many loops. Maps are preprinted; bring your own hydration. Here is what to expect. |
| # Posted 2008-07-31 18:57:51 | |
| feet: | Which parking lot - Kanawauke? I might come. |
| # Posted 2008-07-31 22:29:43 | |
| z-man: | We will be parking at Skanatati and run to the area, perhaps Greg can show a start triangle for those who might show up? |
| # Posted 2008-07-31 22:33:27 | |
| GregBalter: | 3.3 km run to start :) |
| # Posted 2008-07-31 22:40:30 | |
| feet: | I should have known 'Russian' and 'free parking' went well together. ;) |
| # Posted 2008-07-31 23:03:56 | |
| GregBalter: | ditto! |
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