Discussion: WOC Middle

Starting a new thread, I don't think the Middle Qual mapping will be controversial.

Website has gps live, but live results not started.

Perhaps not the mapping, but I've seen a few GPS tracks which seem to go very close indeed to going along the railway (a forbidden route) between 4 and 5.

Live results are online but not linked from the IOF livecenter: https://liveresultat.orientering.se/followfull.php...

It is OK to cross the railway and run by the railroad outside the map. Maybe there is a road? Unless bulletins say something else, of course.

I think Zoltam Bujdoso did just that. Certanly not winning anything, but must got great story to tell, running off the map on purpose at WOC and getting to the final. Well done!

He didn't make the final, but still a good tactic if you know the rules that well.

Raises the question of a how wide a corridor the 'forbidden route' symbol covers - for example, with a railway (like here), can you run on the ballast outside the tracks? (from a safety perspective you shouldn't, but from the perspective of the rules?).

As an aside, the first time I encountered that symbol, also for a railway line, was the 1984 NSW Championships south of Sydney. It turned out that you wouldn't have been in any danger of being hit by a train that day - the event took place in the midst of a rail strike.

The question was answered in the team officials meeting:

https://woc2021.cz/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/TOM_...

Right, apparently he did not qualify, 19. place isn't good enough because there is an other Hungarian at top 15 in the other heat.

I tried to find the area in Google Earth, not sure if I am right, but there appeared to be open (rough maybe) on the east side of the railway.

BTW did Thompass get to the final? I think he did, right?

Yep, he made it.

Really good run. In other heats that time would be just ~2 min from qualifying directly.

To meld this thread and surprises--not a lot of surprises, IMO, with respect to the terrain/courses for the middle. The training maps were very representative. It also looks rather neutral/favorable for US runners that run in the NE US (forest type aside.)

For instance, thinking of places in DVOA-land like Governor Dick, Hibernia, Brandywine, or Ridley... some may disagree, but to even mention those places alongside WOC is scandalous.

No railway in the Final! Looks like a great middle distance course.

A few Australians will be wishing they were there, looking at that map

Agree with J-man. Very DVOA-land like.

Great courses. This is going to be interesting

12-13 on men's course is interesting like the announcer says. The stone wall leads into the control but it is rough going to get to that.

The quick short legs off the start are also tricky. Great course

Nice run by Thomas!

I think you'd have a hard time finding maps that look more similar than many of the maps in the Northeast US, on paper at least.

Governor Dick is the perfect example: http://www.dvoa.org/cgi/gadget/reitti.cgi?act=map&...

According to the GPS tracking lots of Australians (AUS) in the final, but strangely no Austrians (AUT).

Could be Australia's best WOC ever.

Here comes one Gustav Bergman!

Looking good for blue and yellow flags at the moment!

Tight trail race to #10 among the first three women at the moment..

Looks like Lundanes may be abandoning after control 14

Winning time almost 40min!

Looking at the silver and bronze reminds me of one of the best Orientmeming instagram memes

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1UE4iRA-lB/?utm_mediu...

2 Ukraine guys in top 10. That's a bit of a surprise.

Glibov--very strong!

It's a beautiful course. So tough. Real champions out there today.

Tove! So basically after her early mistakes she was >10% faster than everyone else over the remainder of the course... remember that time in a World Cup race she was accidentally given the men's map at the start?, can't help thinking if the same thing ever happens again in her current form, she should just keep going and see how she goes...

She is incredible. How did she compared to men on the common legs today?

In the 2000 World Cup long distance race in Australia (a multi-loop course), the women's course was the same as the men's except that the men had an extra loop. The times of Simone Luder (as she then was) and Hanne Staff would have ranked in the 15-20 range for that part of the men's course.

On the 19th June, Tove ran in the Mens field at a Middle race in Poland

https://www.orienteering.org.pl/detail/stage/401##...

From W6/M10 to finish course was almost same (little shorter on women)

W6/M10 to finish
1 22:35 Kirmula Miika
2 22:49 Bergman Gustav
3 23:27 Kyburz Matthias
4 23:39 Kinneberg Eskil
5 23:49 Glibov Ruslan
6 24:13 Hubmann Daniel
7 24:18 Harlem Fosser Kasper
8 24:18 Ymsen Gernot
9 24:20 Basset Lucas
10 24:44 Serebryanitskiy Konstanti
11 24:52 Kratov Oleksandr
12 25:01 Svensk Emil
13 25:06 Sild Timo
14 25:11 Kubat Pavel
15 25:20 Alexandersson Tove
16 26:01 Ridefelt Albin
17 26:22 Zbinden Noah
18 26:28 Peter Mathias
19 26:37 Nykodym Milos
20 26:46 Rio Nicolas

Tove vs Matthias

Link to terrain and route choice videos via Ales Hejna’s twitter

https://twitter.com/ollesmaps/status/1412711267819...

Ruslan Glibov went through his thinking during his bronze medal run: https://youtu.be/vwax97LazLI

As I've mentioned before, Tove ran essentially the same speed as the top 5 men for the last 4-5 km of WOC 2019...