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Discussion: Follow Samantha Saeger

in: Orienteering; General

Feb 9, 2021 4:09 AM # 
dcady:
Samantha shows part of a course she set that was supposed to have been in Oringen this year but as it turns out, won't be. Find it on YouTube here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbfQp9hG1S0

Running in the snow!
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Feb 9, 2021 6:11 AM # 
walk:
A fun run. She keeps pointing out the hills and marshes but looks dead flat to me. I guess that’s why I had so much trouble over there.
Feb 9, 2021 2:37 PM # 
Gswede:
That terrain looks like so much fun!
Feb 9, 2021 4:16 PM # 
coach:
There are a lot of other videos from the O Ringem Uppsala group. Many of really useful techniques and demonstrations of navigation. I have run in both this area and Lunsen, many times I have had to go back and start over, one has to have a good eye for the subtle ups and downs...the contour interval is 2.5m. I believe. I will encourage you all to come over in July to Uppsala.
Feb 9, 2021 9:25 PM # 
Samantha:
Yes, it took awhile to get used to how flat things look here. You will notice me missing a control at the end because I misread the contours and had to relocate off of a large rock. It was much more distinct than the stuff around it!
It’s really beautiful terrain and it’s sad that we won’t be able to use it. But we moved stage 3 to Lunsen which will be equally fun!
Simon puts a lot of work into making the videos for Uppsala O-Ringen so go take a look!
Feb 10, 2021 5:35 PM # 
BrianJohnston:
It was great video to watch and learn more about the course setting and terrain, as well as to watch and learn from a talented orienteer in action orienteering through flat snow covered terrain. The area looks pretty good in turns of runnable but the indistinctness of the terrain looked even more washed out with the snow cover.
Feb 10, 2021 6:41 PM # 
EricW:
Cameras flatten 3D perception as well, very noticeable on golf courses, which are generally flatter than flat O terrain, but with undulations much more obvious on site.

Also, this camera is centered on Sam, with very little panning, compared to the average panning of O- eyes. I think this video runs by many features easily visible to the orienteer, but not the camera. Sam even comments on some of the unseen features.

Very impressive running strength given the circumstances.

Can we confirm 2.5m? Noticed plenty of double form lines, even at this(?) interval.
Not arguing against, just interesting.

...and to all involved, thanks for making and posting.
Feb 11, 2021 12:02 AM # 
peggyd:
I didn't think I'd watch the whole thing, but it was so interesting I ended up doing so. Sam, you look so strong running through that snow! Impressive. Tricky-looking terrain, but also fun.
Feb 11, 2021 1:54 AM # 
tRicky:
Noticed plenty of double form lines, even at this(?) interval.
Not arguing against, just interesting.


You should definitely argue against double form lines. Makes the terrain look much steeper than it actually is on the run (plus it's prohibited by ISOM).
Feb 11, 2021 5:24 AM # 
EricW:
OK, here we go. :-)
Sorry Ricky, you may argue, but I won't.
In this context, the mapper gets my benefit of the doubt, until I see first hand that these features are insignificant.

Here, almost all the topo is subtle. If the decision to include or leave off similar features based on the random factor of where the interval happens to lie, the result is an inconsistent, less reliable map.

Steepness? Really? On an area with no hillsides?. On the examples I noticed, the form lines weren't stacked next to each other, or with multiple contours, nor are they cluttering, at least to my off-site eye. They looked carefully selected and drawn.

ISOM? A reasonable document, but I don't salute every chapter, verse, and the current intolerance for deviation, which does not lead to better maps. I don't expect it to cover all circumstances in all terrains, and this terrain is one of the most extreme examples in the whole world.

If we were looking at Aussie gully/ spur terrain, we might agree.
Feb 11, 2021 7:24 AM # 
gruver:
Yes lets talk about whether O-Ringen is expected to go ahead this year. And the other videos. I havent been keeping up with them while the sun has been shining down here.
Feb 11, 2021 12:02 PM # 
Canadian:
@tricky, (plus it's prohibited by ISOM).

I feel this statement needs to be corrected... ISOM 2017 doesn't actually prohibit double form lines. I believe the wording is something like you SHOULD NOT use multiple form lines between contours.

Sorry for going further down this rabbit hole
Feb 11, 2021 1:32 PM # 
jjcote:
There's an opening here for a great joke, but it's in poor taste and I don't want to sound like... never mind...
Feb 11, 2021 2:17 PM # 
tRicky:
Another drawback of ISOM - interpret whatever's written in there however you think it will best suit your purposes (I know I do)!

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