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| # Posted 2008-01-10 02:36:32 | |
| mouse136: | i was looking through my map catlogue the other day and thought it might be interesting to find out/ discuss what peoples favourite NSW or Australian maps/ areas are. On the other side we could also look at a Bottom 10 maps/ areas
lets start with a few to get you started.] Top 10 (not in any real order) 1. Gardiners Lookout 2. Mt Kooyoora 3. Khali's Rocks 4. Burngoogee 5. Honeysuckle Creek 6. Ngangaguringguring Hill 7. Miners Dispair 8. Inverary 9. Sunset mountain 10. Pomingalana Bottom 5 for now (not in any real order) 1. Pinjarra Hills 2. Toota Maroota 3. Nail Cairn hill 4. Dragon Bones 5. Curlool Creek |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 03:01:44 | |
| candyman: | Cascades
Pittwater Cantara Kangaroo Crossing In a masochistic way I sort of used to enjoy running at Pinjarra Hills... My bottom five would probably all be boring spur-gully maps (not Inverary or Sunset mountain although there is no way they would be in my top 10!) they would be boring ones I can't even remember the names of... A nostalgic favourite is Kenine Hill, I just use to love racing around there as a youngster. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 03:28:49 | |
| lazydave: | Gumble Creek & Pinnacles
Flinders Rangers maps? Big Badja |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 03:45:51 | |
| candyman: | can't believe I didn't say Badja, I think i just assumed it had to already be in mouse's top 10. A monkey drawing random circles could set a great course on that map. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 04:33:26 | |
| Br__e: | Favourite 10 Australian maps - (for technical challenge and enjoyment)
1. Kooyoora State Park 2. Wilpena Creek/Wilpena Spurs/Tripterra 3. Nerrina/White Swan 4. Cantara Dunes 5. Creswick Diggings/Petticoat Gully 6. The Cascades 7. Chewton/Wattle Gully/Spring Gully/Irishtown/Glenluce 8. Kangaroo Crossing 9. Pittwater Dunes 10. Big Badga |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 04:40:10 | |
| mouse136: | keep em coming. There is some nice areas mentioned and i cant believe i didnt include them in my top 10 either..
i might do a list of the most favourite areas when there is a few more list from others. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 06:02:29 | |
| briohny: | I cant believe you included Pomingalarna!! If you were going for local areas I would have picked Connorton |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 06:24:14 | |
| Miss Jones: | I love Pomingalarna too! My favourite map is Campbell Park Offices :-) |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 06:55:44 | |
| Milo: | Top ten Maps in Tassie (in no particaular order) I have enjoyed running and course planning on:
1. Livelys Bog 2. Windfalls Plains 3. Jasons Task 4. Littlechilds Creek 5. Stags Head North 6. Weeanoobryna 7. Verwood Forest 8. Cuckoo Hill 9. Mt Pearson 10. Four Springs - MTBO I have not included Pittwater as I do no enjoy masochism or any maps on the mainland as I have not enjoyed any orienteering map there so far. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 06:59:22 | |
| briohny: | does Campbell Park Offices bring back fun memories of being a NSW Junior Miss Jones?! |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 07:32:03 | |
| mouse136: | Pomingalana is a sentimental favourite as it was the first area i orienteered on in 1978 |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 07:37:37 | |
| Fat Rat: | this hurts my head, too hard to choose, but i'll try. There is an advantage in going after you are reminded of some other maps.. also had to go out to 15.
No particular order: 1. Kooyoora State Park 2. Jason's Task 3. Nerrina/White Swan 4. Cantara Dunes 5. Creswick Diggings/Petticoat Gully 6. The Cascades 7. Chewton/Wattle Gully/Spring Gully/Irishtown/Glenluce 8. Kangaroo Crossing 9. Pittwater Dunes 10. Big Badga 11. Kahli's Rocks 12. Honeysuckle 13. Gumble 14. Big Bulga 15. Pinnacles (Lithgow sandstone?) 16. ANU (its bloody technical on a well designed course when running hard - there could be more sprint maps, but I've never seen, nor run on Uni Sydney) Interesting: ACT 3 (counted badja here) NSW 4 QLD 1 SA 1 TAS 2 VIC 4 WA 0 |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 07:42:37 | |
| barb: | Pictures! Give us glimpses of these maps! |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 07:47:58 | |
| glenn: | No particular order (although the ones at the top spring to mind first and so are probably best):
1. Pittwater Dunes 2. Cascades 3. Nerrina/White Swan 4. Big Badga 5. Kahli's Rocks 6. Cantara Dunes 7. Broken Hill maps 8. Stockton Dunes (cant believe a Newcastle map slipped in!) 9. Mitchell Park (best Metroleague map) 10. Real fast spur gully e.g Inverary or Blow Mine or Belford SF I'm sure there are others that I need reminding of. Havent been to the Flinders but it looks real good. I think my ultimate map would be scattered granite boulders in sand dunes in fast pine forest. Anyone know of such a place? (Apart from in Catching Features) Bottom 5: 1. Burkes Creek (including flaming car wrecks) 2. Boxvale (familiarity breeds comtempt) 3. Culoul Creek 4. Marybourough maps in Qld. 5. Miners Despair |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 07:49:59 | |
| Bomb: | Some great Qld maps -
cascades brooklands/mt station bettong (near bundaberg) ...and a few to come for the aus champs carnival! and some shockers - old hidden vale clear mt one mile creek mt coottha I think its really easy to think of heaps of local crap maps that would never get used for a major event... whats really special is when they save the thickest, steepest shite for an aus champs etc (or set the courses to make a good area seem awful - like the one in vic a few years ago) my favorite map/race is aus is still probably the aus champs at wilpena - awesome terrain, great map and excellent courses. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 07:51:46 | |
| glenn: | I have to say this a great discussion to start mouse! |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 09:21:48 | |
| biddy: | cascades
brooklands, pittwater pagodas gumble creek (i reckon the best map eric andrews has ever made) western plains zoo :) creswick diggings is alright too |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 11:23:33 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Where is Sappa Bulga on these lists?
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| # Posted 2008-01-10 12:10:37 | |
| blairtrewin: | It's on mine. For some of the maps we need a disclaimer on time - neither Littlechild Creek nor Stockton would be on my top-10 list now, but they would be contenders in the days when they were more runnable.
My favourites, in no particular order: Kooyoora (especially the western half) Kangaroo Crossing NW corner of Creswick Diggings Littlechild Creek/Livelys Bog (as it was in 1988) Pittwater Cantara (as it was in the mid-1990s) Any of the Wilpena/Flinders areas The eucalpyt section of Amiens (which is also the northern end of the Cascades) Gumble Sappa Bulga The 2006 NSW Champs area near Sunset Mountain (whose name I have forgotten) Badja The eastern half of Mount Clear Turallo Creek (a bit of a sentimental favourite, even though there's not a lot to distinguish it from some other gully-spur areas) Stony Creek/Arachnicopia before it got burnt out Including only those areas which have been used at championship/major event level, my least favourites would be: Warrigul Rocks Southern section of Old Hidden Vale (the day 3 area) Darkin River Pheasants Brush (a lottery depending on when you started - and how they ever got permission to use it I don't know) The various Newnes maps I was a bit young to experience some of the 'classic' Sydney sandstone areas in their full glory - Toota Maroota and Jerusalem Rocks were perfectly runnable on the bits they sent the M13s into. Often, the course-setting is more important than the map itself - I've run some good courses on ordinary areas, and some very ordinary courses on decent areas. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 12:33:50 | |
| lazydave: | Blair - Jerusalem Rocks, renamed as Gaza Strip has been remapped and used for Metro's for the fast 4 years or so, it is a good area thanks to a bush fire
Biddy- You're right, Gumble is a perfect example of Eric mapping well when he likes the area! Seldom Seen, one of my hated areas, is an example of how he drops off when he doesnt! Glenn - 4. Marybourough maps in Qld. Sadly these areas are next two the Aust champs carnival this year.....gonna be a boring week..... |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 13:33:57 | |
| Bomb: | The maryborough maps used for the Qld champs last year were the boring areas - they're saving the good stuff for the aus champs. james was surveying through there (for work, not mapping) and recons its pretty cool. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 15:01:00 | |
| chitownclark: | Pictures! Give us glimpses of these maps!
For us non-Australians, it is tough to see such abundance neatly listed...without a more tangible view of these areas. From a bit of searching, I cannot find any use of RouteGadget on Australian websites, which would give us interesting views of their maps. But I did find on the invitation page for last year's QLD Champs, a few photos and a map thumbnail. The photos show wonderfully open "gum" forests, covering straight forward ridge-and-valley terrain. This is the Leyburn Diggings map in the Leyburn State Forest. How does this map compare with some of the top NSW maps? |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 15:12:32 | |
| fell: | a few that haven't been listed that are my personal favourites:
Ngaralta Country Bunjil Bunjil / Bunjil Spirit / Little Forest Chinaman Flat Barambogie North the as yet unused melb uni map Some pics of previously mentioned maps: 
Nerrina / Whiteswan  
Ngaralta Country Melbourne Uni. 
Kooyoora  
Kahli's Rocks Gumble 
ganguddy 
Creswick Diggings 
Cantara 
Badja |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 15:56:07 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Two route gadgets I know of.
Bendigo Orienteers http://www.bendigo-orienteers.com.au/gadget/cgi-bi... South Australia Perhaps a local can provide the link. |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 16:30:56 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Perhaps we need a book:
1001 maps you must run b4 you die. Areas I have on the wish list like the kaarst terrain in Slovenia, Bohemias tower country, Vulcania in the Auvergne, that amazing badlands area near Los Angeles with a meet coming up. Surebridge. Given that standard, what maps from Australia would fit into such a book. I would imagine there would be a section for each different terrain type. Granite: Cascades, Sappa Bulga, Kooyoora, Gumble. (Local bias... Mt Korong, but thats because only a quarter of it is mapped so far and I am the only orienteer who has seen the rest. It would be nice to think the 2009 Aus Champs area might also qualify) 
Mining: Jason's Task, Creswick Diggings-Petticoat Gully (ie all the mining and none of the spur gully), Nerrina. Borderline Fryerstown and Fiddlers Green Dunes: Pittwater, maybe Cantara, depending on vegetation Pagoda country: Ganguddy Spur Gully: Interesting question. There is so much of it, so we take it for granted. But after you run on crap stuff, you appreciate the good bits. What makes it good is a high ratio of gully junctions to contours, fast running, limited visibility and a shortage of tracks. You never get all in one map. Definites: Flinders Ranges (maps meet most criteria). Cyanide Dam is a great example of high junction-contour ratio. Possibles: Blow Mine would be a stand in for a whole suite of similar maps. Inverary and Sunset Mountain are the trackless class. Local bias- Sedgwick Tectonic: Dreeite when/if it is mapped. 
Now, maps that have not been worth the trip. Mount Robertson. Old Hidden Vale Honeysuckle Creek (sorry, but it doesn't turn me on) Mt Terrible. At least a prize for advertising honesty PS Fat Rat. I think your count has Victoria on 5. PPS Some images to add to those already submitted Sunset Mtn 
Flinders Ranges 
Sappa Bulga 
Jason's Task 
Kangaroo Crossing 
Chewton-Mineral Springs on RouteGadget http://www.bendigo-orienteers.com.au/gadget/cgi-bi...= Kooyoora on Route Gadget http://www.bendigo-orienteers.com.au/gadget/cgi-bi...= Korong on Route Gadget http://www.bendigo-orienteers.com.au/gadget/cgi-bi...= Creswick Diggings on Route Gadget http://www.bendigo-orienteers.com.au/gadget/cgi-bi...= Petticoat Diggings on Gadget http://www.bendigo-orienteers.com.au/gadget/cgi-bi...= Monash Uni Sprint http://www.bendigo-orienteers.com.au/gadget/cgi-bi...= |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 17:06:13 | |
| kieran: | i might be a little biased here after being brought upon the stuff but i reckon the spur/gully terrain between bundaberg and childers in QLD is very hard to beat. maps like "isis", "promisedland" and to a lesser extent "bettong". shame they dont get used for bigger events |
| # Posted 2008-01-10 17:25:57 | |
| gordhun: | What an interesting selection of maps! Thanks for posting the maps and photos. I have only orienteered in Australia at the Q'land Champs and WMG near Brisbane in 1994 so I can't pick a list of personal top ten except by names from your lists: Big Badja, Sappa Bulga, Ganguddy, Pomingalarna, Weeanoobryna, Chewton/Wattle Gully/Spring Gully/Irishtown/Glenluce (Is that one name or five?) and for a bit of normalcy, Cuckoo Hill
Sure makes me want to go back for the World Masters in 2009. See you there! |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 02:52:40 | |
| Bomb: | gordhun - those maps you ran on then would rate pretty highly on the worst maps list - luckly we don't have access to a lot of those areas anymore! |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 03:20:58 | |
| fell: | I've been thinking of my BOTTOM 5, but most of them have been biased by poor course setting or bad mapping.
Safely on the top of my list: Goorooyaroo (this does fall into the local area category though) another map that would be around the top: Old Hidden Vale: I didn't think it was really a suitable area to hold a national carnival, but I think it had the potential for a good course on it. I also heard that the area used for the 'Dubbo Dash' wasn't the most popular. Neil; if we're talking about potential maps, I should mention:  |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 03:26:07 | |
| Milo: | "________" wrote "You won't get all that on one map." Come to the Sun Coast Classic in May and run on Mt Pearson. Not may tracks there, spur gully AND granite.
see link: http://www.tasorienteering.asn.au/downloads/sun_co... |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 03:32:59 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | I ran on it in the last Oz Champs. Its ok, but not nearly in my 1001 maps to run b4 you die list. The granite maps in my list above are all another step up in my world. But I will grant you the right to local bias if you will grant me the same. Hence Korong and Sedgwick got my gratuitious local mention. Its not that I am biased against tassie though. I am hoping to fly to Hobart in April just for the TOS event on Pittwater.
And for fell. I made it clear where my future classic maps are located. Where is that one? |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 03:36:21 | |
| Bomb: | we ran on old hidden vale in winter last year, and after a few years of no rain there was hardly any grass and it was actually really nice... not any more though. rain = grass |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 04:29:07 | |
| fell: | The north section of the You Yangs.
Korong is definately up there. |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 04:33:44 | |
| blairtrewin: | I guess this is the private land bit? Bruce and I had a look at the northern section of the park a couple of years ago - great rock but very thick. You could just about get away with running an elite race on it with careful course-setting but there's no way the everyday punters would like it. |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 05:19:00 | |
| Tooms: | These maps I recall as being enjoyable experiences, I'd probably come up with some others if I look back through my major carnival maps... eg. there are some NSW maps I've thoroughly enjoyed but can't remember their names.
Cantara Dunes (SA) Creswick Diggings (Vic) Pittwater (Tas) Brooklands (Qld) Stockton (NSW) Flinders ranges maps (SA) Malmalling (WA) Kooyoora (Vic) Big Badga (ACT) Honeysuckle Creek (ACT) The Cascades (Qld) And my local Western Australian favourites... Just like Candyman I have fond memories of running at Kenine Hill, an old map way south-east of Perth, farmland and granite. Ngangagurringuring was great when it was young, and I quite like the map from the recent WA Auschamps carnival, Hill Park Dale. |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 07:34:01 | |
| James: | Blair, I suspect that the run that you and Bruce did may have focussed on the western side of the northern section (within the park)- and I can agree that that is extremely thick. On the eastern side (still within the park) you could be mistaken for thinking you were near Bendigo.
(The map below is a mock-up one that I use for training runs sometimes, and doesn't have granite or much vegetation marked on it. The private area is off to the west and north) 
On my list of worst maps would have to be the three days for Easter in 2007 - unfortunately I've forgotten their names. |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 08:40:16 | |
| fell: | the Easter maps were called Twigham and Worlds End
which I quite liked. The photo I just posted is taken from the saddle in the top left (north west of James' map) facing north. |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 09:26:31 | |
| jjcote: | I think my ultimate map would be scattered granite boulders in sand dunes in fast pine forest.
Unfortunately, I think granite boulders in sand dunes would require some unusual geological events. But I could be wrong. |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 11:36:10 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | At JWOC in Lithuania I noticed the occasional granite type boulder in amongsth the wonderful sand dunes. Carried there by ice. About 1 metre high at most and a density of 1 per kilometre square. Druskininkai Miskas. Now that is up there for my list of 1001 maps. |
| # Posted 2008-01-11 12:41:56 | |
| NSW Stinger: | Mouse, how bout starting to use http://www.maptalk.org for these kinds of discussion.
but while i'm wasting time waiting for Stingers training 1. Pagodas/Ganguddy- and if you are looking for the best ever control look at #10 on the map that Fell posted (not that i'm bias at all) 2. Kahlis Rocks 3. Baalbone Gap/Gardiners Lookout/Long Swamp 4. North Stockton Sanddunes 5. Golden Fleece/Jason's task 6. Pittwater Sandunes 7. Nerrina Whiteswan 8. Cascades 9. The Hutt 10. Further out the back Was Old Hidden Vale that bad? Glenn- I can't believe you don't like Miners Despair!! Worse maps- any flat boring spur gully Favourite map in the world- Trockner Steg (matterhorn glacier used for Swiss6days 2006) |
| # Posted 2008-01-12 03:49:21 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Because you come to this site to log training and you can't help but notice the discussion on the side bar. So its bound to get a response. |
| # Posted 2008-01-12 05:58:48 | |
| glenn: | "I think my ultimate map would be scattered granite boulders in sand dunes in fast pine forest.
Unfortunately, I think granite boulders in sand dunes would require some unusual geological events. But I could be wrong." It can happen, its just highly unlikely. Sand dunes could be transported to overlie a normal granite area, not just on the coast but also in arid areas. |
| # Posted 2008-01-12 06:23:29 | |
| jjcote: | Well, that's the thing. I think you'd most often wind up with boulders in the dunes, which is not as interesting as boulders on the dunes. |
| # Posted 2008-01-12 07:29:28 | |
| blairtrewin: | I've seen granite boulders and sand dunes near Bridport in Tasmania, although the bits I saw were in farmland and the dune formations were quite simple. Esperance would be another possibility. Whether any runnable forest exists in either location is an open question. |
| # Posted 2008-01-12 10:30:34 | |
| big ev: | i dont know if many people outside of victoria have seen it but i think one of the best maps in aus is the A2 1:20000 map of the whole southern side of bendigo. this map links diamond hill, kangaroo gully, one tree hill, wildflower drive, spring gully, the southern side of bendigo and all the bits in between. the masterpiece will be complete when we get permission to map spring gully reservoir.
other than that i think the best map in aus is pittwater and the worst is that bloody lantana jungle/rubbish dump that was used on the last day of the recent 5 days in newcastle. |
| # Posted 2008-01-12 14:45:59 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Summary:
Nothing better to do, so did some counting. 1 Cascades (10 mentions) 2 Pittwater (9) =3 Cantara, Badja (7) =5 Kooyoora, Creswick-Petticoat (6) =7 Gumble, Nerrina, Wilpena area (5) =10 Jason's Task, Kahli's Rocks (4) =12 Brooklands, Ganguddy, Chewton complex, Stocktons Dunes, Honeysuckle Creek, Kangaroo Crossing (3) The tail: 7 maps with two mentions including Sappa Bulga (?), Littlechild, Blow Mine Inverary. And 31 maps that received mention. Maps that got divided reviews: Pittwater, Honeysuckle Surprise: Sappa Bulga only scoring 2 mentions, less than Kahli's Rocks, Honeysuckle, Chewton. I don't think I really believe that. |
| # Posted 2008-01-12 18:29:21 | |
| grilla: | 1 Kangaroo Crossing
2 Seldom Seen 3 Kahli's Rocks 4 Cascades 5 Big Badja 6 Kooyoora 7 Flinders Maps 8 Bob's Farm (I used to think that this was a magic forest 20 years before I even knew orienteering existed, would love to have seen a Stockton map) 9 Girrakool (the only Sydney sandstone map I've seen - I get homesick with all you Sydney boys riding Galston Gorge, West Head etc) 10 Something from WA but can't pick between Malmalling/Nganga/Peterdine/Hill Park Dale/Gunapin Ridge PS I love that glenn likes Belford as I used to think this was a pretty special forest too! |
| # Posted 2008-01-13 00:57:19 | |
| upnorthguy: | I ran in WOC in 85; and APOC 88; and pretty much enjoyed all the maps: Kooyoora, Slaty Creek, Big Rock, Sailor's Diggings, Mt. Alexander; Littlechild, Pittwater.
It's kind of interesting that Kooyoora is mentioned so often (after 22+ years!), just from the point of view of confirming that the WOC organizers knew what they were doing - i.e. 'picked a winner' of an area. I will be seriously looking at 2009. |
| # Posted 2008-01-13 06:01:31 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | The pagoda maps get a few mentions in the list. They are on for 2009 WMOC, as is the Chewton area for the associated Oz Champs tour. Also an area that was mapped in the 1970s and has not been used since. Its more fast granite country with similarities to Kangaroo Crossing. |
| # Posted 2008-01-13 09:06:00 | |
| Tooms: | Sanddunes and granite eh? What about sanddunes and limestone pillars? Imagine if we could map the Pinnacles Desert a couple of hours north of Perth? I remember Karl Kullman making an orienteering t-shirt with a photo of them. Quite a unique area from what I understand.
http://www.discoverwest.com.au/western_australia/p... http://www.safaris.net.au/info/pinnacle.htm Cool eh? |
| # Posted 2008-01-13 15:44:04 | |
| mortenneve: | Barambogie is pretty good.
worst... ...you yangs. |
| # Posted 2008-01-14 02:14:50 | |
| candyman: | In answer to Robbie if it was on maptalk it would get lost amongst all the newcastle score event postings. |
| # Posted 2008-01-14 10:14:33 | |
| Fat Rat: | :) nice one Candy.
surely only APers views are worth considering anyway... |
| # Posted 2008-01-22 01:27:22 | |
| Kapitan Phat: | Nice to see a couple of maps I helped make get on the list. I'd agree with Blair, Littlechild Creek was great back in the 80's when you could run it hard. Up there over weekend taping for NL Middle in May. Gotta come down if you want to see what it's like in 08.
Fave areas in Aus I've run on in 30+ years of O. Geez i'm getting old!!! No particular order except no 1. 1. Kooyoora (simply the best) 2. Pittwater (how good is it to have that 20min from home) 3. Gardners Lookout 4. Kangaroo Crossing 5. Cascades 6. Nerrina/White Swan 7. Jasons Task (top half burnt out last week) 8. Creswick Diggings stuff 9. Chewton/Castlemaine 10. Littlechild (before it was partially logged) Not ben to Cantara or Wilpena but have drooled over them. fave places O/S - forest just south of Brussels (how damn gorgeous was that to hoon around), Czech sandstone around Jicin (just awesome), that white moss forest we went to in '97 in Norway for training (beautiful), Whitehorse - Chadburn Lake (remote O at it's best), |
| # Posted 2008-09-08 13:19:06 | |
| leepback: | Was wondering about how people decided their favourites.
Do you select terrain you go well in or just the opposite. I often want to return to places I've done my worst at just to improve my technique but I reckon a lot of people avoid terrain they can't handle and would mark it down for that reason. I'm lucky in so far as I have a terrible memory for maps (and their names) so unless I've been to a place several times it's almost like a new map to me. |
| # Posted 2008-09-08 13:25:00 | |
| leepback: | As for Fatrat and Candyman's obvious displeasure at us Novocastrian's utilising MAPTALK for our discussions - I thought that's the whole idea of the site.
I think other people and clubs should be emulating us rather than bagging us! Talk about elitists!!!!! (or perhaps I've missread the tone of your comments). |
| # Posted 2008-09-08 13:53:58 | |
| nomiii: | i like gumble's pinnacles :) first red course and it was awesomee fun |
| # Posted 2008-09-08 22:48:03 | |
| candyman: | Do you have to be elite to be elitist? If so that's the first time somebody has accused me of that for a couple of years!
I would love for Maptalk to become a vibrant forum where National Orienteering issues were discussed including new and different race formats, ideas for attracting newcomers to the sport, best international orienteering experiences, what exciting new areas are being mapped and and being used for major Australian events etc etc. I don't particularly think that these sort of issues and topics are or would be particularly elitist. Good on the Newcastle orienteers for making such good use of the forum and being so quick on the uptake but i am afraid that it has turned what was intended to be a National forum into a club notice board. I think most people from outside of Newcastle who might stumble across the board would not find any topics or discussions that they would want to participate in or be particularly interested in reading. |
| # Posted 2008-09-09 08:25:21 | |
| Fat Rat: | sarcasm is hard to portray in forums.
i will generally choose a map based on the technical challenge (more the better) but also the relative runnability of it (having had significant ankle injuries I don't enjoy terrain that is too rocky underfoot - it has to be pretty rocky, most granite maps i like; perhaps how thick the forest is, particularly the scratchiness of the flora transfers closest to how i choose best) and mapping standard, though normally this is not an issue as the most technical maps are mapped for major events which attracts the most care when mapping. I hope Maptalk works, the problem is perhaps that the most likely people to express views are those on AP (elite or not bloody elite, give up the stupid bloody elite argument - what a counter productive argument that just pisses off elites more and makes them even less likely to contribute to the sport). So those that would use Maptalk the most already have an available forum which is more convenient (generally because they are self -obsessed enough to check their AP daily or even hourly) |
| # Posted 2008-09-10 13:54:25 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Looking back on my own assessments, I think that novelty is an element of my enjoyment. Hence I tend to devalue local spur-gully. I remember the 1998 Easter at Maldon when I was excited about Tarrengower. I was pretty new to the sport then and mostly ran on local maps. I was surprised when someone from NSW told me granite hills were a dime a dozen but the spur guly terrain of Blow Mine was what attracted him to the carnival. Lookng back on my spur gully running away from Bendigo since that time, little of it has enthused me. Maybe I didn't know how good I had it at home. |
| # Posted 2008-09-10 14:10:22 | |
| Ecmo: | A mix of favourite/most significant etc. Most important is some 'wow' factor or they were unusual or groundbreaking:
In order... Kooyoora - significance to Oz O, exciting terrain and mapping milestone Kangaroo X - if you look at physical and mental challenge together, the Cypress Pine bits are the hardest terrain in Australia Pagodas/Canguddy - biggest wow factor Uloola - best Sydney sandstone (post fire) and great location The Boyd - groundbreaking granite area and lots of fun Pittwater - technically hardest map in Australia Amiens/Cascades - After Kangaroo X, second hardest map in Aust and best map in queensland by miles Cantara - big wow factor and very different Broken Hill maps - even further out in the desert than wilpena or burra. How could you possibly orienteer there? amazing Sailors diggings - 1 great area to represent all the great gold mining maps around the golden triangle (Chewton, Wattle Gully etc) Worst - so many to choose from Toota Maroota - any area where M21E can't break 10min kms is too slow East Pt - Darwin Cumberland state forest Token sprint maps - St Helens, Cooma Park NSW Central Coast flat local bush (most of the ones from the 80s are now housing estates thank goodness) |
| # Posted 2008-09-12 03:47:18 | |
| leepback: | Candyman/Fatrat.
"sarcasm is hard to portray in forums."...agreed!!!! Sorry, looks like I did misread your tone. Often I think "attackpoint" is aptly named as many discussions include attacking or discouraging remarks amongst it's forum entries and I'm afraid I was quickly on the defensive. Perhaps some of these are sledging and perhaps if people read some of my entries directed at my contemporaries they would get the impression I was seriously bagging them or they me. As I said Maptalk was a blank canvas and we at Newcastle have replaced our initial forum site (that I was in a losing race trying to delete spam every day) with this facility. As per the use of elitist, it was used under the context of what as I said wrongly looked to be an attack on our grassroots efforts and the fact that it appeared to suggest that our opinions were not worthy and as such the term was used to portray a state of mind rather than an "O" class so no, you don't need to be an elite to be elitists. As you stated above this appears not to be the intent so let's not get into another slanging match on this forum. See you sometime in the bush (probably this weekend Fatcat) |
| # Posted 2008-09-12 17:06:20 | |
| candyman: | no problem with that, I think if you looked at what we wrote on each others logs you would see that light-hearted sledging and banter is common-place. It is one of the things that I really like about attackpoint that you don't have to (or even shouldn't) take discussions too seriously. I can certainly see however how somebody could see many of the comments as being 'attacks' but they certainly aren't meant as such.
Going back to your original post I chose my favourites as the most technically (and physically) challenging areas, certainly when i was younger I tended to prefer open, easy running, good visibility areas (as noted in my nostalgic favourite) and still enjoy running in this type of terrain now but it just doesn't compare to a real technical challenge. |
| # Posted 2008-09-12 17:40:24 | |
| NMFC: | i love canyonleigh (even though its trying to hurt me) |
| # Posted 2008-09-13 03:49:40 | |
| liggo: | Agreee with all the above - Kooyoora etc. Would add Mt Franklin Gorge - the classic spur gully area.
One area I really hate - Honeysuckle, because I always do really badly and usually run off the map at least once per run. And one I really really really really hate - Old Hidden Vale - steep, thick, boring as hell and hot. I'm still mad at QOA for foistering this on us for Easter. How could they? So many nice areas in Queensland and they gave us this crap. It was disgusting. I mean really really really terrible. I was embarrassed for my country that people from overseas came to run here. Lantana, tall grass, steep. Words cannot describe my loathing. And having Ipswich as the event centre didn't help. It made Molong look cultured. In fact the 'food' at the Molong RSL was a fine dining experience by comparison... |
| # Posted 2008-09-13 04:37:36 | |
| Bert Bennett: | Molong.... cultured.... Molong makes orange look cultured |
| # Posted 2008-09-13 04:41:09 | |
| Bert Bennett: | Great to see that orange has map that other people enjoy. Khali's Rocks is a great map. Surprised to see Sapa Bulga not as highly mentioned. Really great map. Not many roads at all and lots of route choice options that organisers can utilise (because of its granite/open formant)
Really looking forward to running on some of these great maps that I've never seen before. |
| # Posted 2008-09-13 06:23:24 | |
| biddy: | dont worry liggo, we qld's were not impressed either...
( especially when you had first starts each day and had to create tracks in waist high grass in which other later competitors used to their advantage to win by a significant margin) |
| # Posted 2008-09-14 17:57:30 | |
| nomiii: | not wattle ridge!! |
| # Posted 2008-09-14 18:11:14 | |
| lazydave: | you're kidding arent you? I was gonna say its near there. Tough and very technical, an hour from sydney's centre. Yeah its a bit green but so bad you can run through it |
| # Posted 2008-09-15 10:30:09 | |
| TheInvisibleLog: | Sailor's Gully is a very poor selection to represent gold mining in the golden triangle. I wouldn't even call it mining terrain. Petticoat Gully and Creswick Diggings in one map minus the boring spur gully to the east would be the best mining map because of the complexity and size. |
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