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Discussion: MF2: Junior Fundraiser

in: PG; PG > 2018-11-17

Nov 17, 2018 10:38 PM # 
PBricker:
I'm in. Two good causes: our junior program, and watching you suffer – I mean reach your goal. I'll pledge 50 cents for every mile you ride between now and Jan. 1.
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Nov 17, 2018 10:51 PM # 
Sandy:
I'm in for $100 if you make it to 5000.
Nov 18, 2018 12:36 AM # 
Gswede:
You're the man, Peter. Thanks for everything you do to make it possible for Erin and me to work with the Juniors.
Nov 18, 2018 1:18 AM # 
kadley:
I'm good for 50 cents a mile. Good and safe riding!
Nov 18, 2018 1:29 AM # 
JanetT:
We'll pledge 50¢ / mile, and $100 bonus if you reach 5000. Ride safely!
Nov 18, 2018 11:49 AM # 
Tom O:
I like the Tryson pledge - put me down for the same.
Nov 18, 2018 2:19 PM # 
PG:
Awesome start, thank you, now have to get the word out. And keep putting in the miles...
Nov 18, 2018 11:31 PM # 
Geoman:
I am in with Sandy’s plan, Make 5000 and win $100.
Nov 19, 2018 12:00 AM # 
andreais:
I like having some fun in the pledge, so here we go: 0.5 cents for mile 1, 1 cent for mile 2, 1.5 cents for mile 3, 2 cents for mile 4 etc. :) rounded up to the nearest 10, tentatively capped at $700
Nov 19, 2018 6:42 PM # 
LKohn:
Put me down for $100 if you make it...although I'm sure you've done the math and just have to hope for some nice weather.
Nov 19, 2018 11:43 PM # 
AliC:
In for 20 cents/mi, go PG and yeah juniors!!
Nov 20, 2018 12:27 AM # 
peggyd:
I'll go a quarter a mile (that's $0.25).
Love that the juniors are giving you some motivation. They're good at motivating each other, so why not the rest of us!
Nov 20, 2018 3:51 AM # 
RWorner:
I'm in for 50 cents a mile. Dress warm and ride safely.
Nov 20, 2018 6:50 AM # 
schristoph:
Mr. Peter, you rock. Just read about your fundraiser in 2015 and I'm so grateful for what you're doing to help us out. :)
Nov 20, 2018 2:45 PM # 
PG:
Hey Siri. Actually it’s the juniors who rock. So much improvement in the last few years. Fun to watch.

And thanks to all who have signed up already. Room for lots more. Everything helps.
Nov 20, 2018 4:27 PM # 
Charlie:
OK. I am in for $.50 a mile, too.
Nov 20, 2018 8:59 PM # 
Oslug:
I'm in for $150 if you make 5000 miles in 2018.
Nov 20, 2018 10:06 PM # 
JanetT:
My brother Ed will match what we give.
Nov 21, 2018 11:22 AM # 
Tyrannosaurus:
As an aging out junior, thank you Peter for the continued support of the junior team!! The program wouldn't be the same without the financial support of you and others. I'm excited to see where it goes in a few years.
Nov 21, 2018 8:21 PM # 
feet:
I am an economist and believe in insurance and think high-powered incentive contracts are dangerous. After all, maybe bankers chasing bonuses led to excessive risk-taking and then to the financial crisis of 2008. I don't want to see PG taking too many risks on icy days.

So, I will donate a baseline of $125 (=500 * $0.25) but subtract a quarter for every mile you do; minimum of zero. (So, just think, every time you do another mile, Peggy gives you an extra quarter, but I take one away, so your total from the two of us is unchanged! Complete insurance!)

Oh, ok. Maybe that's a bit cheap. Minimum of $50.
Nov 21, 2018 10:23 PM # 
kadley:
@feet -- love it!
Nov 21, 2018 10:37 PM # 
JHen:
I'm in for $10.00 per day off with a minimum of $100.00. Wouldn't want you to think that every travel day or snow day was wasted.
Nov 21, 2018 11:24 PM # 
PG:
We're getting a bunch of fine ideas here! As Ken says, love it!
Nov 21, 2018 11:28 PM # 
jjcote:
If you buy a set of some kind of winter tires for the bike, I will donate 3x the price of the tires to the junior team fund. (And something else as well, I'm just working on an adequately creative plan.)
Nov 22, 2018 8:19 PM # 
kissy:
I'm going with Oslug - $150 *when* you make 5000 because I have no doubt that you will.
Nov 23, 2018 2:22 PM # 
JanetT:
MF2 fundraiser mileage
https://www.attackpoint.org/viewlog.jsp/user_62/pe...

Yearly total
https://www.attackpoint.org/viewlog.jsp/user_62/pe...
Nov 23, 2018 7:48 PM # 
PG:
Kissy -- obviously the plan is to make 5K, but it's not automatic by a long shot. It will certainly help having some motivation that only kicks in if I make it. :-)

December weather can be really nasty.
Nov 25, 2018 3:55 AM # 
kissy:
Understood. I will send good weather vibes your way!
Nov 25, 2018 5:11 PM # 
kadley:
Careful how you define good winter weather. Some of us may have differing ideas: Yay snow!
Nov 25, 2018 6:01 PM # 
PG:
Nov 26, 2018 1:31 AM # 
Aragorn:
Thanks, PG, for inspiring us and helping our junior team achieve its goals!
Nov 27, 2018 4:51 PM # 
bubo:
I'm in for $25 regardless of the outcome adding another $25 when (not if) you reach 5000.

I know snow and skiing isn't Peters first priority but just to be creative but not overly risky I´ll add another $5 for each Swedish victory in the XC skiing World Cup from now until New Year - including Tour de Ski in the first week of January.

Could be expensive or could be cheap - but with five Swedish Top-3 finishers (but no victories) in the first weekend in Ruka, Finland two-three days ago there´s definitely a chance that the juniors will get more.
Nov 29, 2018 6:34 AM # 
mikeminium:
I'm in for 10 cents per mile up to 4600
20 cents per mile to 4700
30 cents per mile to 4800
40 cents per mile to 4900
50 cents per mile to 5000
$1.00 for every mile over 5000.
Nov 29, 2018 1:09 PM # 
PG:
So far I think that's 15 different ways of giving me motivation (actually, lots of motivation). Wonderful. :-)
Nov 30, 2018 4:59 PM # 
bubo:
Wohoo, my creative add-on has already given some result for the juniors!

In the XC skiing World Cup in Lillehammer Sweden got a surprise win in the Women´s Sprint race. Shouldn´t be a surprise really - only that it wasn't any of the two big favourites that won.

24 year old Jonna Sundling got her first ever WC victory beating Stina Nilsson in the sprint finish. Missed last week's race due to illness but is back on track. She´s not a long shot really since she has previously won the sprint Gold in both World Junior and Under23 Championships.

...and the weekend isn´t over yet...
Dec 2, 2018 2:09 PM # 
jima:
I'm in for 10 cents a mile, which will turn into 15 cents for all miles once you get over 5000.
Always fun to check back on the developing chronicle of your adventures - both planned and impromptu.
Dec 3, 2018 1:56 AM # 
jjcote:
OK, I finally come up with something. Assuming you hit 5000, I'll donate $20 for every day left in the year at that point. And beyond that, another $0.20 per mile.
Dec 3, 2018 2:04 PM # 
Cristina:
I'm in for 3 * the sum of the digits of the total number of miles.
Dec 3, 2018 3:27 PM # 
PG:
Ah, the possibilities boggle this poor mind. So far 18 different forms of "motivation," occasionally in conflict with one another, among the 24 folks who have signed up. Wonderful.

Still lots of time to add more names, and more schemes, to the list. Any amounts are welcome, large or small.

Meanwhile, the motivation really is there. Gets me out the door, always with a smile on my face. Thank you all, and the juniors thank you too.
Dec 3, 2018 3:39 PM # 
kadley:
I’ll do a $20 bonus if you end up at a prime number.
Dec 3, 2018 6:27 PM # 
feet:
This is much more interesting. 4999 is prime, for what it's worth, so between Cristina and kadley, you lose 3*(4+9+9+9) - 3*(5+0+0+0) +$20 = $93 - $15 + $20 = $98 from the two of them as you tick over from 4999 to 5000., partly offsetting all those bonuses for getting to 5000.
Dec 5, 2018 5:55 AM # 
GuyO:
I'll offset feet's reduction from $125 (eg, $50 from feet means $75 from me), and do a $20 bonus if PG ends up at a non-prime number.
Dec 5, 2018 3:35 PM # 
jjcote:
$20 bonus if you end up at an irrational number. $2000 bonus if it's an imaginary number.
Dec 5, 2018 4:17 PM # 
Sandy:
I suppose 5000 + 0*i doesn't count as imaginary?
Dec 5, 2018 11:29 PM # 
jjcote:
No, I think I'm safe even if he manages to ride imaginary miles (quite possible), since any complex number will include a real component that I doubt he can take back. Unless he starts doing a whole lot of riding backwards.
Dec 6, 2018 3:28 AM # 
GuyO:
Could this serve as an agreed-upon determiner of prime status?
Dec 6, 2018 6:44 AM # 
o-maps:
I like feet's idea of "investing" in a way that manages risk. But in contrast to feet ("I don't want to see PG taking too many risks on icy days"), I'm not worried about managing the risk to PG (he's managing that: "I'm not going out when it clearly isn't safe"). I'm worried about the risk to my own wallet if he rides 6,000 or 7,000 or 10,000 miles. And also I want to donate to the Gswede fundraiser for the senior team. So my formula is:

1-4999 miles: $50 (total for any mileage in this range--not per mile!)
5000 miles: $75 (")
5001 or more miles: $100 (") plus a nickel for each mile beyond 5000

PLUS

Whatever I give by my formula for Gswede's fundraiser for the senior team, I will add the same amount to the MF2 junior team donation. (Once, not recursively!)
Dec 6, 2018 12:39 PM # 
PG:
The unsaid second half to the statement "I'm not going out when it clearly isn't safe" is -- so I better go out when it is safe (to the extent that biking is ever safe).

The goal is the 5K, safely. It's a lot easier (and safer) to make progress when the weather is relatively benign, and so I'm been upping the miles now so I don't have to do them when the weather gets worse. And that's the reason for using bike paths more.

6,000 or 7,000 or 10,000? I could imagine ending up at 5,100 or conceivably 5,200, but that would take some doing, and some luck with the weather, and some luck in general (so far I've not had an ache or a sore spot since this started other than sore gums around tooth 15 a couple of days ago), and continued really good motivation, and, importantly, just having a good time doing it. All that could change in an instant.

In the meantime, I'll keep plugging away. And feeling very thankful to all the folks who have stepped up to help our juniors, and making my life better in the process.
Dec 6, 2018 1:31 PM # 
o-maps:
I was largely tongue in cheek of course. I really do care about your safety. :-) I don't really expect you to get from 4500 to 10,000 or even 5200 in one winter month.

Or maybe it was my competitive streak. People have come up with some fairly complicated formulae, and maybe at some level I was trying to out-complicate them all.
Dec 6, 2018 2:11 PM # 
PG:
I keep meaning to add my name to GSwede's list, but haven't quite figured a properly complicated formula. I think I need to stop thinking about it and just do it.

Thanks for adding your name to both lists. Old-timers in the sport, and both of us are certainly that, need to help the next generation, or two, or three. This is one way of doing it.
Dec 7, 2018 3:42 AM # 
iansmith:
I'm in for $50 if when you get to 5,000 miles and $0.10 per mile after 5k! Thanks for doing this, PG!
Dec 7, 2018 4:55 AM # 
jjcote:
You can use a fancy online prime calculator if you like, Guy, but it's pretty easy to just check whether the number has any factors less than 75. (You don't even have to check them all, just the primes.) The primeness of a number is a pretty simple objective property, there's nothing really to agree on.

(Now, if he adds in imaginary miles, and we have to figure out if the complex result is a Gaussian prime, then we might need to consult with Stan.)
Dec 14, 2018 8:13 PM # 
eldersmith:
Well, I've been a little late to get in on this thing, but I didn't really think there was going to be a problem in your reaching 5000 miles anyway. I'll go in at $2/mile for all miles over 5000. It should be noted that with 17 days left to go, it might be possible for you to make it to 5280 by the end of the year, which would be a very appropriate mileage feat. So I might throw in a small bonus if you make it to that distance!
Dec 14, 2018 8:36 PM # 
PG:
Ah, nothing like a good challenge. :-)

Though it won't be easy. Need 214 miles in the next 17 days. Take out days for rain or snow of just too damn cold, plus travel, hmmm, wonder how long a ride I'm going to have to do on the 31st....
Dec 15, 2018 2:22 PM # 
vmeyer:
I am late too, trying to come up with something novel...

A dollar for each day you ride 10+ miles x the day of the month. So, 10 miles today would be $15, tomorrow would add $16, etc. Any day's ride can be substituted with bird watching, with appropriate evidence, for the same donation.

Biking and birding in the same day earns a $10 per day bonus. And, any day with neither will earn 2X that day's value, if you log a Gagarinism - funny, sad, contemplative, throw back (old entry), etc.

And, if you describe how you end up communicating with your mom, then there will be a "to be decided" bonus added.
Dec 15, 2018 10:48 PM # 
PG:
Hi Valerie!

Wonderful... :-)
Dec 15, 2018 11:20 PM # 
peggyd:
I think Valerie owes you a big bonus for today's entry!
Dec 25, 2018 8:02 PM # 
LKohn:
I hope you have an angorithm set up for figuring all of this out...

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