Can someone post a copy of the Full Goat?
I guess it would be illegal to make a public post of a map unless you are its owner.
Arrest, jail, probably doing time.
I'll see if I can get a Routegadget up.
Until then, here are the jpegs for the Full, Mini, and Baby
Thank you for your concern though, Yurets.
Personally I prefer the idea of democratization of orienteering maps. ¡Viva la resistencia!
Well, considering the ownership of the Rockhouse map, I'd say you're in the clear anyway. :-)
Are there results anywhere? I’m sure I’m just being thick but I can’t find them
Nope, hopefully we'll get them up by the end of today.
Why is everyone in such a rush? I will have them by early tomorrow. I was out today getting last of the controls (at a stately M80 pace)
I see you conveniently erased my result. 80 years you say?
for the record it was in the vicinity of 1:53:17
On Mini Goat everyone apparently missed control 121 - because it wasn't there - I forgot to take it out of the computer after Greg deleted it from the course.
Joe - you didn't download in the red computer box. If you want to come round tomorrow I am still accepting downloads - with a late fee.
I recall downloading to both boxes. splits in hand. I think the computer operator was DUI
Bernie Breton is also missing; we finished together. I have no idea if he downloaded...
Bernie's I have found - your stick number was wrong in your registration. I will correct tomorrow. Joe - what stick number did you use? Oh - and for that vile insinuation the download fee now includes a bottle of single malt.
monkey shoulder? it's a blend. talisker 10yr is my new fave. SI 8012862
Did most people skip 4 and Winsplits somehow allocates the time for 3-5 across both legs, hence the grey?
Looks like a cool race.
Courtney Cutler is listed as an mp, but she was with me the entire time. She was originally registered for the mini but ran the Fall Goat.
Thanks much, we had a lot of fun!
Courtney appears to have missed 4 & 6 whereas you just skipped 6.
I took my results not being there as a final slap in the face to the Hudson Highlanders fab 4. ;-)
By far the most popular skip was 5 (31) followed by 6 (13). 8 & 18 both had 6 skips.
3 people did not skip at all!
I don't think AJ Riley is listed in the results, either. He would have been around 6th in the fall goat.
My mom, Dagmar Merkova, also isn't in the results, and I know she finished and I saw her download
Hmmm. Maybe her punch didn't register? There were a hoard of us coming through. She was definitely at 4. She was with the group that skipped 6.
In retrospect, I think the skip on 18 and then taking 19a may have been the best option. Wish I'd seen that, but I decided before I'd really analyzed the entire course.
Neither AJ or Dagmar are shown as having downloaded. I have one unnamed stick on the fall goat, 2013587 with a time of just on 2 hours - any offers?
Because we had to manually change each download to deal with the skipped control it is possible that some downloads did not register while we were doing the changes. most of the time we caught it and asked for another download. Apologies if we missed some. In mitigation, this was the first time that Cheng-hua or myself had used OE for a goat event.
What about skipping 1 and doing the road run to 2. Stephen T did this and had a respectable 10.25 (16th) to control 2.
AJ was 5th but he did only download once..;( I am not sure if this can be fixed. His time was 87 min
Trying to download the splits printer (with Valerie's help)
need more Monkey Shoulder
If the splits get uploaded to Attackpoint, I think AJ should be able to add his splits himself (like we used to do back in the days when we were all just running with Casio watches).
If your splits are missing on Winsplits, take a picture of your printout and email it to me.
The map looks interesting. Lots of green. I like to see swamps and mountains having their names printed on top, so one can always ask for directions "Which way is it to Nut House Mtn?"
Most people would figure you know the way by heart, Yuri.
No need to send the splits, unless you aren't AJ, Joe, Dagmar, or Nellie. Those were the people recovered from the printer box who weren't in results computer. Thank you, Geof.
Splits posted to AP. RG tomorrow...some fiddling required for that to work correctly.
Thanks Valerie - what would we do without you. I will update Winsplits tomorrow.
Any updates on a RouteGadget?
For RG to work, without truncating at the first control you skipped, and designating you DNF, I had to make a custom course for each skip/fork combination. Luckily, lots of you skipped the same one...
Here is the breakdown:
Fall Goat 1a |
1 |
Stephen Tarry |
UNO |
2:56:33 |
Fall Goat 3a |
1 |
Mitch Collinsworth |
ROC |
3:13:47 |
Fall Goat 4 & 5b |
1 |
Phil Bricker |
NEOC |
2:32:27 (dnf) |
Fall Goat 5a |
1 |
Robert Graham |
OOC |
1:24:21 |
Fall Goat 5a |
2 |
William Hawkins |
WCOC |
1:24:45 |
Fall Goat 5a |
3 |
Peter Zakrevski |
HVO |
1:25:17 |
Fall Goat 5a |
4 |
Anthony Riley |
DVOA |
1:27:01 |
Fall Goat 5a |
5 |
Patrick Denzler |
DVOA |
1:31:15 |
Fall Goat 5a |
6 |
Boris Granovskiy |
QOC |
1:34:18 |
Fall Goat 5a |
7 |
Keegan Harkavy |
|
1:34:19 |
Fall Goat 5a |
8 |
Wyatt Riley |
DVOA |
1:46:02 |
Fall Goat 5a |
9 |
Matthew Brooks |
USMAOC |
1:59:37 |
Fall Goat 5a |
10 |
Kevin Wolgast |
USMAOC |
2:00:07 |
Fall Goat 5a |
11 |
Riley Eck |
USMAOC |
2:00:10 |
Fall Goat 5a |
12 |
Unnamed West Point Cadet |
USMAOC |
2:00:14 |
Fall Goat 5a |
13 |
James Richie |
USMAOC |
2:00:15 |
Fall Goat 5a |
14 |
Linda Lonneberg |
DVOA |
2:00:20 |
Fall Goat 5a |
15 |
James O'Brien |
USMAOC |
2:03:34 |
Fall Goat 5a |
16 |
Andis Vitolins |
HVO |
2:08:29 |
Fall Goat 5a |
17 |
Danny Riley |
USMAOC |
2:13:58 |
Fall Goat 5a |
18 |
Spencer Myers |
USMAOC |
2:17:01 |
Fall Goat 5a |
19 |
David Oxenstierna |
HVO |
2:23:33 |
Fall Goat 5b |
1 |
Tero Heikkila |
Finland |
1:26:20 |
Fall Goat 5b |
2 |
Janne Salmi |
Finland |
1:27:12 |
Fall Goat 5b |
3 |
Joshua Sanchez |
QOC |
1:51:05 |
Fall Goat 5b |
4 |
Jonathan Campbell |
NEOC |
1:56:30 |
Fall Goat 5b |
5 |
Samuel Jones |
USMAOC |
2:26:37 |
Fall Goat 5b |
6 |
Justin Augustine |
USMAOC |
2:26:40 |
Fall Goat 5b |
7 |
Zach Kuder |
QOC |
2:35:44 |
Fall Goat 5b |
8 |
Samuel Haseman |
USMAOC |
2:36:03 |
Fall Goat 5b |
9 |
Victor Frolenko |
DVOA |
2:41:41 |
Fall Goat 5b |
10 |
Mykola Hrynyshyn |
|
2:46:30 |
Fall Goat 5b |
11 |
Fyodor Konkov |
BAOC |
3:34:11 |
Fall Goat 5b |
12 |
Paul Bisset |
WCOC |
3:57:47 |
Fall Goat 5b |
|
Eric Smith |
CNYO |
dnf |
Fall Goat 6a |
1 |
Victoria Campbell |
NEOC |
2:38:47 |
Fall Goat 6a |
2 |
Corinne Mayland |
DVOA |
2:38:51 |
Fall Goat 6a |
3 |
Courtney Cutler |
COC |
2:41:32 |
Fall Goat 6a |
4 |
Jesson Penaflor |
USMAOC |
2:56:33 |
Fall Goat 6a |
5 |
Alexis Merka |
QOC |
3:30:41 |
Fall Goat 6a |
6 |
Dagmar Merkova |
QOC |
3:41:28 |
Fall Goat 6b |
1 |
Vitali Tulchinski |
Ramblers |
2:05:42 |
Fall Goat 6b |
2 |
Patrick Shannon |
DVOA |
2:09:07 |
Fall Goat 6b |
3 |
Branton Fletcher |
USMAOC |
3:05:25 |
Fall Goat 6b |
4 |
Denis Rozhkov |
HVO |
3:30:06 |
Fall Goat 6b |
5 |
Sam Levitin |
NEOC |
3:43:02 |
Fall Goat 6b |
6 |
James Sayles |
USMAOC |
3:51:07 |
Fall Goat 6b |
7 |
Zachary Aloma |
USMAOC |
3:51:08 |
Fall Goat 6b |
8 |
Whitney Gunderman |
USMAOC |
3:54:00 |
Fall Goat 6b |
9 |
Arelena Shala |
USMAOC |
3:54:03 |
Fall Goat 8a |
1 |
Peggy Dickison |
OK |
2:36:58 |
Fall Goat 8a |
2 |
Bernie Breton |
HVO |
2:36:59 |
Fall Goat 8a |
3 |
Aleck Breton |
HVO |
2:45:25 |
Fall Goat 8a |
4 |
Quinton Marmo |
USMAOC |
3:12:57 |
Fall Goat 8a |
|
Judith Dickinson |
HVO |
dnf |
Fall Goat 8b |
1 |
Jeremy Colgan |
HVO |
2:12:46 |
Fall Goat 8b |
2 |
Chris Obara |
HVO |
2:54:01 |
Fall Goat 10 |
1 |
Elijah Parrott |
USMAOC |
3:19:48 |
Fall Goat 10 |
2 |
Charles Marashlian |
USMAOC |
3:19:49 |
Fall Goat 10 |
3 |
Abigail Yeager |
USMAOC |
3:19:56 |
Fall Goat 14b |
|
Evan Raz |
OOC |
dnf |
Fall Goat 15 |
1 |
J-J Cote |
LROC |
2:17:11 |
Fall Goat 15 |
2 |
Daniel Schaublin |
HVO |
2:17:18 |
Fall Goat 15 |
1 |
Karl Ahlswede |
DVOA |
2:22:14 |
Fall Goat 18 |
1 |
Joe Brautigam |
WCOC |
1:53:30 |
Fall Goat 18 |
2 |
Stefan Slutsky |
HVO |
2:07:13 |
Fall Goat 18 |
3 |
Pavlina Brautigam |
WCOC |
2:12:49 |
Fall Goat 18 |
4 |
Jeffrey Saeger |
NEOC |
2:12:51 |
Fall Goat 18 |
5 |
Charlie Fredrikson |
USMAOC |
2:17:33 |
Fall Goat 18 |
6 |
Joseph Heindrichs |
USMAOC |
2:17:36 |
Fall Goat 18 |
7 |
David Ro |
USMAOC |
3:06:04 |
Fall Goat 19 |
1 |
Nadim Ahmed |
QOC |
2:22:13 |
Fall Goat 19 |
2 |
David Hulme |
HVO |
2:22:23 |
Fall Goat 20 |
1 |
Nathan Collinsworth |
ROC |
2:00:05 |
Fall Goat 20 |
2 |
Armando Melendez |
USMAOC |
2:21:01 |
Fall Goat 20 |
3 |
Josie Olson |
USMAOC |
2:21:06 |
Fall Goat 20 |
4 |
Lukas Raz |
OOC |
3:01:55 |
Mini All R |
1 |
Svetlana Frolenko |
DVOA |
2:31:33 |
Mini All R |
2 |
Andrei Dolgov |
|
2:44:52 |
Mini All R |
3 |
Oriana Riley |
DVOA |
3:03:11 |
Mini 1R |
1 |
Stephen Richardson |
WCOC |
1:35:48 |
Mini 1R |
2 |
Linda Kohn |
ROC |
2:01:22 |
Mini 1R |
3 |
Charlie DeWeese |
WCOC |
2:03:26 |
Mini 1R |
4 |
John-Eric Nelson |
WCOC |
2:57:52 |
Mini 1R |
5 |
Eric Bressler |
LIOC |
2:58:09 |
Mini 6R |
1 |
Rolf Helander |
Finland |
1:24:34 |
Mini 7R |
1 |
Hannu Kosonen |
Finland |
2:08:26 |
Mini 7R |
2 |
Bob Bullions |
HVO |
2:11:24 |
Mini 8R |
|
Anne Billman |
ARCTIC |
dnf |
Mini 9L |
1 |
Kristin Hall |
NEOC |
1:20:55 |
Mini 9R |
1 |
Jorma Nissila |
Finland |
1:12:27 |
Mini 9R |
2 |
Bridget Hall |
NEOC |
1:20:48 |
Mini 11R |
1 |
Sergiy Gnatiouk |
HVO |
1:12:07 |
Mini 11R |
2 |
Angelica Riley |
DVOA |
1:25:49 |
Mini 11R |
3 |
Iurii Shepelev |
HVO |
1:26:15 |
Mini 11R |
4 |
Kirsten Mayland |
DVOA |
1:35:17 |
Mini 11R |
5 |
David Webber |
HVO |
1:44:17 |
Mini 11R |
6 |
Julia Doubson |
BAOC |
2:03:13 |
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For the Mini, everyone went Right, except for K. Hall...I assume this was planned with B. Hall to splits up. They came back together after the fork, and were together the rest of the way, until B outkicked K for the family title. :)
Nope, not planned! Just happened :)
Hey Peggy, looks like you beat me by 1 second despite me punching 1 second before you. I felt guilty at the time so this makes up for it!!
Can always edit your time in AP splits to agree.
LOL I think you earned at least one second by your better navigating!
Left was better, I don't know what all those people were thinking! :-) That was early, too, before the glasses fogged, so I actually could see the map. Kept thinking someone would follow me, but no one did. Picked up a few places after waiting in a long line to punch number one.
Given our group route to 6, I think Rolf may have got the skip right (though 9 was pretty good).
What a great looking course in great terrain and a wonderful way to celebrate the 25th anniversary of WOC’93. Reading peoples logs and thinking of my many fond memories of the one Hudson Highlander, half dozen or billygoats and several troll cups i’ve raced I can’t help but think that North America needs more mass start and chase start races. Will this festival be an annual event?
I agree with the previous post, but only in part.
Indeed the map looks great, and I believe it is indeed great, because I know JJ is one of just a handful of people in America who understands the key role of field checking, and the huge difference between a computer-generated base map and the final product, the orienteering map.
Mass starts kill the key component of orienteering --- navigation done by the runner individually and independently. A strong cross-country runner with only basic navigation skills can do very well in such a race.
Glad you enjoyed it, Yurets!
Thank you, Yuri, although I have no idea why my name was mentioned in your comment.
Mass start orienteering races are a thing in themselves, and I'm one of many who enjoy them. They lie somewhere between running races and regular orienteering, and the fact that a good runner can do well in them is fine. They shouldn't crowd out regular orienteering, but I don't think there's any danger of that happening.
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