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Discussion: The US Team Thanks its Supporters!

in: Orienteering; General

Aug 29, 2018 5:55 PM # 
Gswede:
The US Orienteering Team put together this video to thank our supporters for helping us to travel to WOC, NAOC, and many other competitions. The highlight of this year was definitely bringing home the BK Cup. Go USA! It starts at home!



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Aug 29, 2018 6:22 PM # 
smittyo:
This is great!
Aug 30, 2018 12:57 AM # 
j-man:
Way to go guys! You made us proud!
Aug 30, 2018 12:12 PM # 
acjospe:
Way to go team! Thanks for putting together that video, very nice. Giacomo is scared of cows?
Aug 30, 2018 2:15 PM # 
cmpbllv:
So great to see everyone at NAOC bringing home the BK Cup and some personal WOC starts. Way to go, Team USA!
Aug 30, 2018 7:07 PM # 
j-man:
I've also been scared of cows, ever since an orienteering misadventure in the Carolinas.
Aug 30, 2018 7:59 PM # 
kissy:
What a great way to say thanks! Nice job.
Aug 30, 2018 11:24 PM # 
Vector:
No... thank YOU, Team USA, for bringing back the cup!! Even in the away game! Awesome to see.
Aug 31, 2018 12:02 AM # 
gordhun:
As a member of both associations I'd like to congratulate all members of both teams for the obvious amount of work and sacrifice that they put in to being members of the national teams.
I'm sure Orienteering Canada will be doing a post mortem to figure out why they were not able to retain the BK. There are some possible reasons.
But I'd like to focus on why O-USA won the two cups. One reason is because over the last few years O-USA has spent more resources sending the national senior and junior squads to world cups and world championships in Europe. That is possible, I believe, because my fellow O-USA members seem more generous in their financial support of their national teams than are my fellow Orienteering Canada members. So good on the generosity of O-USA members and thank you team for producing such a fun tribute to your collective members. That is very thoughtful of you.
Aug 31, 2018 1:42 AM # 
Sudden:
gordhun - if Colin hadn't injured himself and CAN's team 1 in the women's relay had run 1.5 min faster, CAN would have won. I.e. the difference between the two teams is so small so I don't think we can say that it is because OUSA members have deeper pockets that US won the BK Cup.
Aug 31, 2018 2:15 AM # 
iansmith:
Great video! And congratulations to the US National team for a very successful season, especially winning the BK cup. So many athletes have invested a lot of time and energy improving, and it's great to witness and be a part of that.
Sep 2, 2018 4:13 PM # 
jcampbell:
Nice video. Nice win in BK cup. It was a good close competition
Sep 2, 2018 5:32 PM # 
gordhun:
Sudden. I did not say USA won the BK because of deeper pockets. It may have been one reason as I wrote that their teams were generously supported by their members and they were able to send more bodies to do more training and competing in Europe than the Canadians were able to do. Perhaps the European experience tilted the balance, perhaps the injuries were the deciding factor, perhaps the return of Ali Crocker in great form made the difference we'll never know for sure but two things we do know are that O-USA members were generous in their financial support and more junior and senior national team members were able to get to Europe.

Let me open another issue. This year two Florida orienteering clubs -small clubs -chipped in $500 each to help a Florida team get to the USA Junior Nationals. The money came from entry fees paid in part by these and other Juniors. The clubs are not-for-profit so a good way to recycle potential profit is to put it back in to supporting the junior teams. How many other clubs in Canada and USA are helping their younger members get to national championships and their national teams get to the Worlds?
Sep 2, 2018 7:20 PM # 
Hammer:
Congrats to the US team on winning the BK and for an excellent thank you video.

Gord I think Sudden's point is that only 29 points separated the teams when over a combined 800 were awarded. Too close to suggest that Canada needs to do a post mortem. Canada won the long by 17 points and middle by 9 points. The US won a close battle in the sprint by 5 points. So in the individual days Canada actually outscored the US by 21 points. The big difference was on the relay day where (as you had predicted prior to the NAOC starting) a small difference in time could result in very large point swings. Indeed, the US beat Canada by 50 points on that day. Colin's serious injury (I hope he is recovering well and this doesn't affect his XC ski season) meant a DNF costing Canada a guaranteed 10 points. Now the difference would have only been 19 points. As Sudden also points out if Canada's top women's team in the relay was only 1.5 minutes faster in the relay (Canada also had an unfortunate injury there as well) it would have resulted in a 40 point swing and an overall Canada BK Cup win. Again too close to require a post mortem.

Many of Canada's HPP members train (and live) in Europe (perhaps more Canadians than Americans) as well and are supported by their clubs and in some cases provinces/territories. For example, while I'm not currently on the DGL board we have automatically provided funds to our WOC and JWOC athletes since the mid 1980's.


But one thing is clear from the Attackpoint posts. The BK Cup is a great rivalry and highlights North America's best and also highlights the bonus of having depth.

Actually I personally wish that Canada and the US battled it out annually for the BK Cup. As I posted in my log after NAOC, one option would be to make the NAOC an annual event (splitting sprint from forest) and move the NAOC into the spring and for it to not only have regional WOC spots on the line but to also double as the US and Cdn team trials that year (and the all important BK Cup bragging rights). Even having it the year before WOC every year would be exciting. Sure a sprint-only NAOC wouldn't attract the same numbers as a forest NAOC but it sure would be fun to see ALL WOC disciplines tested in a NorAM Champs. This year we didn't get a sprint relay or a knockout sprint. Previous NAOC didn't have a forest relay. **Also with individual WOC spots and NorAm titles on the line it perhaps should become a requirement to make the relay the last race of the NAOC.

Congrats to all athletes representing Canada and US. It sure was fun to follow.
Sep 2, 2018 9:56 PM # 
gordhun:
Hammar I get his point, I get your point.
Why do you guys have so much trouble acknowledging my point which is that my fellow O-USA members seem much more generous in financially supporting their team than are my fellow O-Can members are in supporting theirs. I don\t really give a damn why or how the Canadians lost or the Americans won. It is a contest and in each contest there will be winners and losers.
I happen to know that one Canadian junior national team member's very modest GoFundMe campaign was under-subscribed until a final push once the event was almost over. That should not happen to one who made the podium in one of the European events or to any of the others who give up so much to represent us in the woods of the world. I thought you might agree. You and I have both been there,
Sep 2, 2018 10:17 PM # 
Hammer:
I’m only arguing against your statement that Orienteering Canada will need to do a post mortem on why they weren’t able to retain the cup. im arguing no need for that as it was super close. As to your point about OUSA member generosity compared to Canadians I can’t comment as I don’t have the data. But I agree that more support really helps. I’ve always argued that an elite athlete brings a lot of value to the sport locally, regionally and nationally and the more we can do to support them the better (and a special thank you for your long time financial support). Sometimes that support isn’t financial and can be providing free coaching or setting trainings, making maps, loaning eqpt, providing free rides to races etc.

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