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Discussion: 2018 USA Nationals - Oct 19-21

in: 2018 USA Nationals - Sprint Middle Long (Oct 19–21 - South Bend, IN, US)

Aug 22, 2018 5:59 PM # 
mikeminium:
OCIN and SMOC will be presenting the 2018 Orienteering USA Nationals on Oct 19-21 in northern Indiana and southeastern Michigan. Many event details are here, including information on air travel, host hotel in South Bend, Indiana, plans for banquets on both Friday and Saturday nights, and more.

We expect that online pre-registration will open in the next few days - we are still finalizing a couple of the extra items.
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Aug 22, 2018 6:37 PM # 
Cristina:
What determines the sprint winner? Combined time?

Do the sprint course lengths represent shortest legal running route or purple-line lengths? Are the expected winning times on the short side for sprints, since we have to run two of them?
Aug 23, 2018 3:03 AM # 
mikeminium:
The sprint championships will be combined time for both sprints. We are still reviewing course plans, but the winning times are expected to be slightly to the short side.

Both will be interval started, and your second start will be exactly 3 hours after your first start, so there won't be any big discrepancies in rest time that might happen if we mixed up the order or did a chasing start.

The currently posted distances are straight line for draft 1. There have already been a few edits and more are expected; I'll work on "shortest runnable distances". We've done a couple test runs, more are planned.
Aug 23, 2018 12:19 PM # 
cmorse:
Will the two sprints be treated separately as far as ranking points go?
Aug 23, 2018 1:16 PM # 
mikeminium:
Hmm, I think that's a question for the rankings coordinator. I'll pass it on in case she doesn't see this.
Aug 23, 2018 2:05 PM # 
mikeminium:
The Rankings Coordinator says that it will not be a problem to rank both. So if you do all 3 days at the Nationals, you'll be able to get 4 ranked races (enough for a ranking) in a single weekend. Also, that means that a mp or dnf in one of the sprints won't spoil both of them for rankings purposes.
Aug 23, 2018 2:24 PM # 
vmeyer:
And, if you wondering when the rankings will be updated, since I am a wee bit behind, hopefully it will be by Sunday. Something to do on Saturday on the long trip home.
Aug 23, 2018 6:17 PM # 
Anna:
Are the map snippets in the header of the event page pieces of the actual maps being used? Trying to get an idea of what type of contours/how technical!
Aug 23, 2018 9:26 PM # 
mikeminium:
Those are actual map snippets - and the same ones that appear in the event announcements in Orienteering North America and Compass Sport. Not all of the terrain is that technical, but there are some interesting and subtle areas.
Aug 23, 2018 11:47 PM # 
cmorse:
I'm not seeing any map snippets - what event page has the snippets?
Aug 24, 2018 2:18 AM # 
JanetT:
Race details
Aug 24, 2018 3:18 AM # 
furlong47:
Which Green would F35+ be on?
Aug 24, 2018 4:41 AM # 
cmpbllv:
Wow, Valerie. The crazy mix of categories and trying to crosswalk it to our class/color scheme makes my head hurt, and that's just trying to deal with who's running what within our family. I really appreciate all the work you put into the rankings!
Aug 24, 2018 9:13 PM # 
mikeminium:
@furlong: I think it will make the most sense to put F 35+ on green A, with the F40+, 45+. I'll do a little analysis to be sure that's where it fits best. The A/B splits on green and brown were determined based on looking at the finishing times from past events. There were not any F35+ entries in the previous national championship events that were used for the comparison, so we'll have to pull a little new data. Apologies for the omission.
Aug 28, 2018 9:41 PM # 
fossil:
How is it that the Sprint Nationals race is now longer than the Middle Nationals race? Is this something that Rules and Sanctioning have approved? Was a waiver required?
Aug 30, 2018 10:00 PM # 
Tundra/Desert:
Does anyone want in on a one-way car rental, arriving O'Hare, departing Detroit? It's pricey but saves a lot of driving. I'd say on the order of $100 per person for the weekend. I can deposit you in your hotel, assuming the hotel isn't far out of the obvious way.
Aug 31, 2018 8:55 PM # 
ebone:
Tundra/Desert, I'm currently contemplating flying in/out of DTW and renting a car from there. I think I'll mind the longish drive less at the front end.

Of more general interest: I'm not a fan of the two-sprint format, but there are some possible upsides, if it's done correctly:
1. Use distinctly different terrains and/or styles of course setting for each, so that the two taken together test a wider range of skills.
2. Make each course about 2/3 of normal winning time, so that it's not too exhausting, amidst a weekend of other back-to-back hard race days.
3. The qual/final format is something that national team athletes must prepare for at WOC, so this would be in keeping with that.
Aug 31, 2018 9:44 PM # 
JanetT:
3. Except they usually don't do qual and final 3 hours apart, do they?

YES to #2.

Ideally, the total of times on both courses should be what one would typically run on a single sprint. If I run ~22-25 minutes (compared to *winning time* of 12-15) then if my total on the two courses here is around 25 or so I'll be happy. If it's 30-40 minutes, though, perhaps we need a rules change.
Aug 31, 2018 9:53 PM # 
bbrooke:
Or make one Sprint the championship event, and the other one an optional "fun" event (with or without NRE status)?
Aug 31, 2018 10:01 PM # 
Hammer:
The time between the beginning of the start windows for the sprint qual and sprint final at this year's WOC was just under 6 hours.
Sep 2, 2018 5:02 AM # 
mikeminium:
Pre-registration is open!
Sep 7, 2018 6:14 PM # 
geof:
Mike:
Just so I am sure before booking hotels
Fri/Sat Middle/sprints around South Bend.
Travel (Drive 3 hours) to Bishop lake Sat after sprints
Long at Bishop lake Sunday.

Assuming I have got it correct could you give some hotel locations close to Bishop Lake for Sat night (Ann Arbor?).

I have booked flights to arrive Det (Wayne) from NY (Westchester) 11.30 on Thursday and have booked car rental. If anyone wants to part share 3 hour trip to S Bend. (and then to Bishop lake on Saturday) let me know. I will stay close to Detroit airport Sun night for early flight back Mon.
Sep 7, 2018 7:22 PM # 
Mr Wonderful:
Ann Arbor would be the most fun to stay at - extensive dining options in a vibrant, walkable downtown, and not a terrible drive to Brighton Rec. There are hotels near the mall (Briarwood), which is orienteer walkable (3 mi) to downtown A2, or Washtenaw or Plymouth exits off US-23 (between 3 and 4 miles). Perhaps someone more familiar with the west side will chime in. Not sure about closer in. I imagine airbnb is available if you're into that sort of thing. Parking isn't terrible if you elect to drive downtown. Garages seem to be the easiest.

Either of the standard hotel chains in Brighton are closer to the venue (Lee Road exit on US-23 or Grand River exit off I-96). Brighton itself is nice enough, just a lot smaller of a business district downtown so less to walk around to.
Sep 8, 2018 1:32 AM # 
mikeminium:
We haven't arranged any formal deals with hotels in Brighton or Ann Arbor. I'll try to put some info together, but I'm in pretty remote country for the next two weeks (read poor internet and limited ability to edit the event website). Best bet is to do a Google search or look at one of the travel websites. Brighton is closest and reasonably priced - if you want to be more urban, then Ann Arbor would be good.
Sep 8, 2018 2:41 AM # 
igor_:
Holiday Inn Express & Suites Brighton South would probably be the closest:
https://goo.gl/maps/jcyNj4RdQky
Ann Arbor is about 30 minutes away.
Sep 8, 2018 12:29 PM # 
JanetT:
If you are a Hilton Honors Rewards member, you can check rates at those chains too for discounts (thanks to the work of Glen Schorr, it saves us an extra 10% sometimes over the AAA rate).

http://stay.hilton.com/mvp/
Sep 19, 2018 4:40 PM # 
mikeminium:
Just an update, reminder that Pre-registration is open! The deadline for T-shirt and dinner orders is fast approaching.

Event Information is here.
Sep 19, 2018 8:22 PM # 
JanetT:
Any info about the shirt design? Short or long sleeves?

T-shirts will be available through pre-registration. Shirts must be ordered by the September 30 regular registration deadline in order to guarantee size. Shirts will be $20 ($21 for XXL and 3XL). See the shirt design (coming soon). Please order shirts by Sept. 30 to guarantee availability.
Sep 20, 2018 3:07 AM # 
GuyO:
Short sleeves

Mike is in a place with poor internet, so is unable to upload the shirt design. He'll be back on 9/23.

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