Discussion: English broadcast at Tiomila
in: Orienteering; General
Apr 16, 2018 1:52 PM
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After the success of last year's broadcast, there will again be a live web stream with English commentary for the whole of 10mila this year, with Boris Granovskiy and Graham Gristwood as commentators and 'experts'.
The stream is available here - https://webbtv.10mila.se/
For 150sek you get to watch the whole competition (youth, women and men).
You can email us questions as well at studio.en@10mila.se , and we might try and answer sensible/relevant/legible ones.
The stream is available here - https://webbtv.10mila.se/
For 150sek you get to watch the whole competition (youth, women and men).
You can email us questions as well at studio.en@10mila.se , and we might try and answer sensible/relevant/legible ones.
Apr 24, 2018 12:00 PM
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A reminder that you can follow Tiomila live this weekend on the web in English, with myself and Graham Gristwood serving as commentators for the entire 24 hours of racing.
The start list is now available, and team lineups should be appearing over the next couple of days.
The start list is now available, and team lineups should be appearing over the next couple of days.
Apr 26, 2018 6:51 PM
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Tiomila preview from World of O: http://news.worldofo.com/2018/04/26/10mila-2018-al...
Apr 27, 2018 6:43 PM
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You can now follow us on Twitter at @10milatvEN. Graham and I are on site and ready for tomorrow's races!
Apr 28, 2018 4:34 PM
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We've been asked about best Tiomila results for North Americans. Anyone done better than Louise Oram's 22nd last year? And what about for the men? I've been 40th...
We were also asked if any non-European has won Tiomila/Jukola. Julian Dent has been 2nd. Anyone better?
We were also asked if any non-European has won Tiomila/Jukola. Julian Dent has been 2nd. Anyone better?
Apr 28, 2018 8:39 PM
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Hey Boris and GG here is a question. What would the “all time” best Team GB and Team NorAm be if you could take 5 women and 10 guys and make ‘dream teams’?
Doug Mahoney would be my choice for Team NA unforked long night
Oh yeah we are having a drinking game here for every time Boris says gaffled.
great work guys
Doug Mahoney would be my choice for Team NA unforked long night
Oh yeah we are having a drinking game here for every time Boris says gaffled.
great work guys
Apr 28, 2018 9:37 PM
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2001 Troy DeHaas running long night for Turun Suunnistajat
http://results.jukola.com/tulokset/fi/j2001_ju/kil...
http://results.jukola.com/tulokset/fi/j2001_ju/kil...
Apr 28, 2018 9:45 PM
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I think you'd have to go with peak Mike Fellows over Dougie for the Team NA unforked long. Doug was fast, but Fellows at another level.
Off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm forgetting guys and I'm doing 5 each:
1. CAN Oivind Naess
2. USA Brian May
3. CAN Brian Graham
4. CAN Mike Fellows (long unforked)
5. USA Eric Weyman
6. USA Mikell Platt
7. CAN Mike Waddington
8. USA James Scar?
9. USA Greg?
10. CAN Ted de St. Croix
The Canadians would have a crazy good B team.
Off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm forgetting guys and I'm doing 5 each:
1. CAN Oivind Naess
2. USA Brian May
3. CAN Brian Graham
4. CAN Mike Fellows (long unforked)
5. USA Eric Weyman
6. USA Mikell Platt
7. CAN Mike Waddington
8. USA James Scar?
9. USA Greg?
10. CAN Ted de St. Croix
The Canadians would have a crazy good B team.
Apr 28, 2018 10:17 PM
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Hey Nev!
What about these Canadians: Nick D, Mike Smith, Wil Smith, Will Critchley, Damian K, Mark Adams, Brent L, Ross B, Eric K, Ron L.
What about these Canadians: Nick D, Mike Smith, Wil Smith, Will Critchley, Damian K, Mark Adams, Brent L, Ross B, Eric K, Ron L.
Apr 28, 2018 10:28 PM
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You said a NA Team and I used 5+5!
But if you insist:
7. CAN Mike Smith replaces Hammer
That's what you meant right? ;)
But if you insist:
7. CAN Mike Smith replaces Hammer
That's what you meant right? ;)
Apr 29, 2018 4:43 AM
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@dstansfield: Assuming all those runners in the peak of their form, but all running today, I would say top 20/25, i.e,. sufficient to be called to the podium for the price giving ceremony, would have been possible.
Back in the days, when only 2-3 teams had started to collect top runners from multiple clubs and/or countries, my childhood club Porsgrunn OL managed to get on those podiums once in Tio (1981) and once in Jukola (1985), both times with a team consisting exclusively of friends who had grown up together in that relatively small (25K people at the time?) town.
Back in the days, when only 2-3 teams had started to collect top runners from multiple clubs and/or countries, my childhood club Porsgrunn OL managed to get on those podiums once in Tio (1981) and once in Jukola (1985), both times with a team consisting exclusively of friends who had grown up together in that relatively small (25K people at the time?) town.
Apr 29, 2018 3:32 PM
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On the English broadcast, whilst this is fresh in my mind. I apologise for any roughness in how I put this across - I blame the lack of proper sleep!
In context - my comments are also probably influenced by / relative to last years commentary.
Overall: Great job, I could really see a lot of improvement over last year! While last year I was a bit torn afterwards whether it was worth my money, this year I am positive that it did. So well done to the whole staff that worked on the coverage - I know it isn't just the commentary team!
What I noted as definite positives:
- The interaction with the viewers (twitter polls, gaffling, Q&A etc!)
- It felt like there was a lot less "empty space" in the coverage, probably largely as the incoming runners (and other guests) were very often drafted in to the commentary box for discussion. Definitely worth the soaking chair (well, for me anyway, not sure about GG)
- It really felt like both (probably detected GG doing this all the time) kept their eye constantly on the GPS tracking that we could not see and developments were picked up swiftly, even when they were not yet shown on screen - it was a value add, as far as I was concerned!
- A lot of the logistics that were annoying last year in the broadcast vis-a-vis language were now ironed out, the non-english interviews and storylines were kept to a level that was acceptable (as opposed to last year which felt too much for an English broadcast), what remained were the more significant/interesting interviews and the gist of it was translated as well. The picture-in-picture controlled by the commentary team was a good addition and worked well!
- The GPS tracking felt like an improvement, of course it would be great to see a lot more of it early on, but completely understandable that it must be limited to protect the secrecy to a degree that does not detract from the competition for later runners. With that in mind, and with the addition of GG keeping an eye on and relaying what we could not see, I felt like it was well presented and well balanced
What could improve:
- The sound production. There were a few aspects of this, and I think none of this was in the control of the English commentary team:
- There seemed to be a constant background sound from the central production, which was often distracting, either from the commentary, from the interviewees, or sometimes just generally
- That background sound was most often including the "elevator music" and sound effects, which after about half an hour started to become distracting, as the coverage went on, almost elevated to a mild form of torture... I was tempted at times to mute the whole coverage just because of that, but the commentary was too interesting!
- In some of the coverage, the sound coming from the terrain was unnecessary and/or inconsistent in levels: including the cameraman's phone ringing, him picking it up and talking, the heavy breathing of the cameraman running (I just mute my own headcam footage when at times I am recording my runs for the same reasons), and unusually loud rustling of leaves at some controls whilst waiting for runners to come in to controls. Adding sounds from the terrain (natural + runners sounds) does help, so I understand this is difficult to control, but I think if there is an area of improvement, this is probably one that is not that difficult to centrally control with good leveling.
- It would be great if it was possible to watch the live stream on various devices, i.e. directly from the LiveStream app. I am not sure if it is already possible maybe, with some more instructions, it would have helped in such a long coverage - e.g. so I can put this on a connected TV, or take with me to watch whilst I am out keeping an eye on it?
So given that all my improvement suggestions are in the sound department, I think overall I just have given a big thumbs up!
In context - my comments are also probably influenced by / relative to last years commentary.
Overall: Great job, I could really see a lot of improvement over last year! While last year I was a bit torn afterwards whether it was worth my money, this year I am positive that it did. So well done to the whole staff that worked on the coverage - I know it isn't just the commentary team!
What I noted as definite positives:
- The interaction with the viewers (twitter polls, gaffling, Q&A etc!)
- It felt like there was a lot less "empty space" in the coverage, probably largely as the incoming runners (and other guests) were very often drafted in to the commentary box for discussion. Definitely worth the soaking chair (well, for me anyway, not sure about GG)
- It really felt like both (probably detected GG doing this all the time) kept their eye constantly on the GPS tracking that we could not see and developments were picked up swiftly, even when they were not yet shown on screen - it was a value add, as far as I was concerned!
- A lot of the logistics that were annoying last year in the broadcast vis-a-vis language were now ironed out, the non-english interviews and storylines were kept to a level that was acceptable (as opposed to last year which felt too much for an English broadcast), what remained were the more significant/interesting interviews and the gist of it was translated as well. The picture-in-picture controlled by the commentary team was a good addition and worked well!
- The GPS tracking felt like an improvement, of course it would be great to see a lot more of it early on, but completely understandable that it must be limited to protect the secrecy to a degree that does not detract from the competition for later runners. With that in mind, and with the addition of GG keeping an eye on and relaying what we could not see, I felt like it was well presented and well balanced
What could improve:
- The sound production. There were a few aspects of this, and I think none of this was in the control of the English commentary team:
- There seemed to be a constant background sound from the central production, which was often distracting, either from the commentary, from the interviewees, or sometimes just generally
- That background sound was most often including the "elevator music" and sound effects, which after about half an hour started to become distracting, as the coverage went on, almost elevated to a mild form of torture... I was tempted at times to mute the whole coverage just because of that, but the commentary was too interesting!
- In some of the coverage, the sound coming from the terrain was unnecessary and/or inconsistent in levels: including the cameraman's phone ringing, him picking it up and talking, the heavy breathing of the cameraman running (I just mute my own headcam footage when at times I am recording my runs for the same reasons), and unusually loud rustling of leaves at some controls whilst waiting for runners to come in to controls. Adding sounds from the terrain (natural + runners sounds) does help, so I understand this is difficult to control, but I think if there is an area of improvement, this is probably one that is not that difficult to centrally control with good leveling.
- It would be great if it was possible to watch the live stream on various devices, i.e. directly from the LiveStream app. I am not sure if it is already possible maybe, with some more instructions, it would have helped in such a long coverage - e.g. so I can put this on a connected TV, or take with me to watch whilst I am out keeping an eye on it?
So given that all my improvement suggestions are in the sound department, I think overall I just have given a big thumbs up!
Apr 30, 2018 4:37 PM
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gg:
Thanks Psuba! Really interesting feedback.
We had some control over the sounds/picture, but not much - the elevator music was definitely not in our control!
Please send this and any other feedback to tv@10mila.se
We had some control over the sounds/picture, but not much - the elevator music was definitely not in our control!
Please send this and any other feedback to tv@10mila.se
Apr 30, 2018 6:13 PM
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Indeed, great feedback! I'll write more and describe the experience in more detail when I am back in the states in a few days, but a lot of the improvements from last year to this year come directly from some of the feedback we got and provided to the producers. We hope to continue improving from year to year, so keep the feedback coming!
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