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Discussion: Post NAOC 1-day 50+km run Chilkoot trail

in: NAOC 2018 (Aug 17–24 - Whitehorse, YT, CA)

Dec 9, 2017 5:27 PM # 
BrianJohnston:
I have this crazy idea to run the Chilkoot Trail after the NAOC.
It’s a very historic trail, up and over the mountains. Expect a long tough day. Because it’s also the end of August, two months past the longest daylight, it’s be a sunrise to sunset experience.
It’s in a national park. More general information here, https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/lhn-nhs/yt/chilkoot/activ/...

Anybody interested?
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Dec 9, 2017 6:36 PM # 
JimBaker:
A pretty trail; did it as a leisurely multiday hike with some fellow orienteers. Interesting history too, including the definition of the American/Canadian border via Gatling gun, in response to the influx of gold seekers who thought the goldfields were in America, and border requirement to bring something like a tonne of supplies up the steep trail to the border, per person.
Dec 9, 2017 8:46 PM # 
iansmith:
This looks amazing! I am interested in participating, though I will need to work on my fitness for such an attempt.
Dec 10, 2017 3:40 AM # 
acjospe:
Suddenly I have a legit reason to maybe go to NAOC. Hmm.
Dec 10, 2017 2:20 PM # 
jjcote:
Possible, possible...
Dec 10, 2017 8:11 PM # 
BrianJohnston:
I’ll also have to improve my endurance running and do hill workouts but there’s ample time—8 months.
Dec 10, 2017 9:01 PM # 
markalanprior:
Interested
Dec 11, 2017 2:40 AM # 
JimBaker:
A note on the safety aspects.. it's quite remote between the start and end. Make sure to be prepared in case of an injury, as it could be days to get out. It's far more isolated than, say, the famous ultras that I can think of; emergency warmth and hydration is essential. It should be a really fun run, but take just enough extra to be safe.
Dec 11, 2017 4:36 AM # 
Nev-Monster:
Also full of grizzlies.
Dec 11, 2017 11:01 AM # 
JimBaker:
I only saw one grizzly, near the station for the tourist train, sniffling for the scraps left by the tourists" box lunches. A park ranger came to scare the bear off with an air horn when the train arrived.
Dec 12, 2017 3:55 PM # 
acorn:
Interested, but not fit enough to pull it off and enjoy it. May need to do as a multi-day trek instead.
Dec 12, 2017 4:38 PM # 
ShadowCaster:
Pam James and I did it as an over-night a decade ago. It is normally done as a multi-day which is a good idea so you can sight see. Most people who run it in a day go backwards. There are park wardens at many places along the trail, so I wouldn't worry about the "isolation" factor.

That all being said, you do need to book a spot, so I'd recommend looking into that sooner rather than later.
Dec 12, 2017 5:17 PM # 
charm:
Pam and I did it in a day after the COCs in 2011. We did the route backwards. Logistics are much easier that way for a one day. You don't need to book if you aren't camping (at least we didn't need to in 2011)
Dec 12, 2017 8:28 PM # 
JimBaker:
The Parks Canada website linked above says:

"Day users remaining on the US portion of the trail (Dyea to Chilkoot Pass return) do not require Permits. A Day Permit is required for day hiking or running on the Canadian portion of the trail. Group size is limited to a maximum of 12."
Dec 12, 2017 8:43 PM # 
Cristina:
I’m interested...
Dec 12, 2017 9:59 PM # 
bchubb:
Trying to convice my rogaining partner to go to Whitehorse. He's a keen ultra runner so this just might do the trick :-)
Dec 13, 2017 10:23 PM # 
BrianJohnston:
I love the run it backwards suggestion for several reasons, such as route elevation profile,...will have to look into getting to the backwards start but logistically it should make more sense.
Dec 14, 2017 1:19 PM # 
charm:
Pam and I flew in via small charter plane from Whitehorse to Bennett Lake. My mom and a friend drove my rental car down to Skagway the day before so it was there when we finished the day on the trail.
Dec 14, 2017 3:09 PM # 
Nev-Monster:
Charm: was your plane flown by a former JWOC runner by chance?
Dec 18, 2017 12:25 AM # 
charm:
It was not Nev-Monster, but I understand that a few pilots up there have some orienteering connections.
Dec 22, 2017 2:06 AM # 
JenMac:
I did it a couple of years back from Dyea to lineman lake and then out on the train tracks. We saw no bears and the weather was fine. I also did this hike around the end of August. I walked it in a day because some people couldn't run the whole thing.
Dec 22, 2017 3:10 AM # 
BrianJohnston:
How was it using the tracks? Walking on the ties or is there any sort of a side path?
The end of August means less hours of daylight compared to June or July—you were able to walk the entire Chilkoot Trail in daylight? What did you do for logistics?
Dec 23, 2017 6:39 AM # 
JenMac:
We started at 6 in the morning and the light wasn't that bad. Walking out on the tracks is boring, you are right on the tracks or just beside. When we hit the tracks it was getting dark so you pull out your headlamp. We left one car at the Log cabin parking lot and the other in Dyea.
Dec 26, 2017 8:03 PM # 
crawfordsl:
A few years ago when the COCs were in Whitehorse, I hiked the trail. I flew to Juneau with my gear in a cardboard box as checked luggage, repacked it in my pack at the airport (ladies restroom), then I think I took a bus into town and camped in some nearby woods, before taking the ferry the next morning to Skagway. There I picked up my permit from the Ranger office. They wanted to make sure I had a cord or rope with me and knew how to use it at the campsites to hoist my food bag over the high wooden bar there to keep it away from bears. The permit was for camping at two specific overnight campsites along the trail.

I then got a ride with some other hikers to the actual trailhead in nearby Dyea, and set out. It was a terrific hike, especially the long steep ascent to the Pass, shown in all the famous winter photos of the gold seekers in long lines carrying their gear up. Each had to ascend the Pass many times with their loads until they had each accummulated the required 2000 pounds of supplies, before the Mounties would let them in to Canada. Then they spent the rest of the winter building a boat or raft at Lake Bennett so at spring breakup they could float down the Yukon to the Klondike gold fields. It was a mighty sight they say to see the flotilla of 2000 boats set out when the ice had melted.

When I got to the end of the trail at Lake Bennett, I then walked along the side of the railroad tracks a few miles to where it intersected the road over White Pass. There Jim and Mil Plant, who had driven up the Alcan Highway, met me and we continued on up to Whitehorse for the orienteering. (They brought my O-gear with them.)

I remember as I started along the tracks from Bennett, a railroad hand car came up behind me, and the man inside said to get in. There was a mother grizzly bear with two cubs just up the tracks, and he would take me around them. It was sure a thrill to see them up close as we went by.

It was a very fun three day hike for me. The several designated campsites are spaced out so one can do the hike in 2-5 days. Running it in a day would be fun, and naturally easier north to south because less elevation, but I think much more interesting in the original direction the gold seekers went.

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