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in: Craney; Craney > 2017-01-07

Jan 9, 2017 2:48 AM # 
lazydave:
hagabys are fun but id rather tackle pittwater solo. Could be a deal breaker for me
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Jan 9, 2017 3:41 AM # 
Craney:
Yeah defo. I'm sure it'll still be fun and challenging, but it does seem like a bit of a waste of what could have been a proper good solo test and the ideal Oceania prep. Oh well, I guess the alternative would be the usual start-in-reverse-ranking-order-2mins-apart-bunch-up-procession anyway.
Jan 9, 2017 4:06 AM # 
Brooner:
That is a shame, was liking looking forward to a good classic race. At least if they did reverse order with looped courses it'd be a bit more spread out.
Jan 9, 2017 9:10 AM # 
Shep:
It's not too late for it to change... The course style would still be ok even with normal individual starts...
Jan 10, 2017 3:28 AM # 
jennycas:
Initially we'd had hopes of a classic style long race and it being a WRE, but sadly there's no way Pittwater could be printed readably at 1:15 000 because the 1: 10 000 version has symbol sizes which are smaller than 1:15 000 already (so IOF presumably wouldn't accept the middle as a WRE either; I was willing to test this but the idea didn't get past the OA mapping chair).

Plus both the middle and long races will need to fit on to the available unlogged area, so actually the Hagaby was my suggestion - admittedly I hadn't expected these races to be used for Oceania selection. Hopefully the setters will include some decently long legs like we've had in past Ultralongs, and if they have a couple of pivot controls there could end up being as many as 27 different variations to discourage "cooperative navigation".
Jan 10, 2017 3:51 AM # 
Craney:
Thanks for the background Jenny - all makes sense, but as Shep & Brooner say, no reason looped courses couldn't be used with interval starts. Hard to see what we're practicing for with a mass-start really, so I think you can consider that there are at least 4 requests to change that...
Jan 10, 2017 4:57 AM # 
O-ing:
OMG. At least there is one sensible decision in here - print at 1:10000 and get around the stupid IOF requirement.
Jan 10, 2017 5:42 AM # 
Shep:
Yes!
Jan 10, 2017 6:01 AM # 
jennycas:
Not everyone wants to wrestle with folding and unfolding a bedsheet for their long races, though.
Jan 10, 2017 7:17 AM # 
lazydave:
Surely that's small trade off for actually being able to read the map.
Jan 10, 2017 8:17 AM # 
Shep:
Reading the map isn't important. Well, not as important as following iof rules.
Jan 10, 2017 9:32 AM # 
Hawkeye:
WOC Long, 2016 - World of O analysis:

"Gemperle got the initiative in the race by winning the long 2nd leg with one minute, and soon after catching Judith Wyder ... Gemperle and Wyder ran together for the rest of the competition"
"Another key to (Alexanderrson's) victory is catching Hausken at the 9th control – the two are together from the 9th control to the finish, mostly with Hausken in front"
Jan 10, 2017 9:38 AM # 
Shep:
Maybe we should promote following by only giving half is the runners maps? So print half as many maps as needed and shuffle them together with an equal number of blank pieces of paper.

We should be able to discount the entry fees then too given the reduction in printing costs.
Jan 11, 2017 12:35 AM # 
seahawke:
The format was agreed after discussion with the head coach. We didn't know it was a selection race beforehand; presumably there is also a relay team to be selected so this format isn't without relevance. Pittwater doesn't really lend itself to a traditional classic style race especially given that half the map is being used for a middle distance the day before. We're confident it will still be challenging for everyone. Follow at your own risk!
Jan 11, 2017 12:57 AM # 
Craney:
Fair enough, I'm sure it'll be fun and challenging, and the coaches and selectors do know best ;) Running in packs does indeed happen at WOC and there is a relay to select, yes. Personally, I think a solo classic race should be a higher priority - Australia has the chance to win a 3rd long spot at the Oceania Long (not mass start), and that race has now become the only vaguely relevant long individual race from which to select the WOC long team. Not really my problem though - there's still a fair bit of practice for WMOC long final on offer. Looking forward to a fun weekend in Tassie in March :)

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