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Discussion: Do your maps ever look like this?

in: Orienteering; Off-Course

Dec 1, 2016 1:21 AM # 
origamiguy:
The National Library of Scotland recieved a donation of a 17th-Century map that had been wadded up and stashed in a chimney. This article shows how they restored it.
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/watch-a-destroyed-17th-c...
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Dec 1, 2016 4:52 AM # 
JimBaker:
Sadly, yes, I've had maps in plastic bags that looked like that by the end of the race. Nice restoration work.
Dec 1, 2016 6:37 AM # 
TheInvisibleLog:
Wasn't that map used at WOC this year?
Dec 1, 2016 6:41 AM # 
gruver:
Hey, that old guy with the funny hat will be looking for his chimney map in a few weeks. Hows he gonna manage?
Dec 1, 2016 8:08 AM # 
tRicky:
How can something be 'impossible enough'?
Dec 1, 2016 11:34 AM # 
jjcote:
Jim's maps always look like that by the end of the race!!
Dec 1, 2016 4:43 PM # 
fossil:
Reminds me of the story of the Swedish champion who blasted a hole in his map case when he slipped and hit it on a rock during the epic US Champs race at Great Falls, MD in 1988. It was pouring rain and as the map took on water it deteriorated until a critical section became useless. He continued on, navigating from memory, but eventually stopped someone who was on another course, begged a look at her map, and was then able to complete his course! I'm thinking this was Jörgen Mårtensson, but someone will correct me if have that wrong. This map was so complex that in addition to the normal 1:15000 there was an enlargement of one area added at 1:7500.

Memory a bit fuzzy but I think he didn't win that particular day. But the meet was part of the 1988 USA O-Fest and he was still comfortably in 1st place M21A overall for the 6-day results.

Incidentally the 1988 USA O-Fest just happened to coincide with the release of the Morris worm on the internet. A fact that I only learned upon returning to work after the conclusion of the O-Fest, having somehow forgotten to bring a smart-phone with me.
Dec 2, 2016 9:50 AM # 
undy:
It could have been Jörgen, it was the only time that I could have beaten him if I'd had a clean run. I think I put it down to superior swimming skills at the time.
Dec 13, 2016 1:53 AM # 
jjcote:
OK, back to where I have access to my archives...

I hadn't heard that particular story, so I don't know if the part about the map is true (could well be), but some of the supporting details don't hold up. Two of the courses at that meet had to be shortened because the rain had raised the level of the river such that the first couple of controls couldn't be accessed safely, so the start was moved and those courses (including the M21 course) picked up at control #3. Mårtensson was at that meet, and did turn in a mediocre performance that day, looks like the ninth-best time, 15 minutes behind the leader, and he placed 8th for the US Champs weekend (overall winner was Swampfox, who crushed it on Sunday at Little Bennett for one of the best performances of his career). Six-day results appear to have been the best four of six results, but it also looks like you had to sign up for all six days to be eligible. Mårtensson ran only the final two days, and therefore isn't even on the list. The six-day winner was Eikka Havas of Finland, but he had the best time on the Great Falls day.

(And I beat fossil six days out of six on M21B... heh heh...)

(And a week later, I moved up to M21A, and competed against Mårtensson for the only time in my career, at a meet on Ohio. He was first, I was last.)
Dec 14, 2016 2:02 PM # 
fossil:
well I sure hope you beat me that week. I was still a relative novice having only started orienteering a couple years earlier and mostly having to figure it all out by trial and error. (What a revelation the day someone pointed out that you could use your thumb to keep track of your location as you progressed across the map!) That week was something of a turning point though, getting to orienteer on a new map each day for a whole week, on a variety of maps that couldn't have been more different from each other.

Anyway I could be mis-remembering details about the overall results or even the identity of the runner but I'm pretty certain about the holey map story. I don't know what shortening the course would have to do with anything. It was, as you might recall, raining pretty heavily.
Dec 14, 2016 5:52 PM # 
EricW:
While this thread is sidetracked on memories, I agree with JJ's parenthetical comment about Mikell's performance that weekend.
I always felt this was his best race(s) of which I had direct knowledge. I wasn't at my best fitness that weekend, but thought this was one of my best ever technical efforts, good enough to win any other time, and Mikell beat me fair and square both days, by similar margins. I've wondered if our performances on Sunday's technically easier Little Bennett event might have been the fastest,/most perfect pair of US M21A efforts.

I had the impression that Jorgen M was enjoying the Wash DC nightlife (& into early morning) that weekend. :-)
Dec 15, 2016 10:30 AM # 
Terje Mathisen:
The secret to beating Jörgen Mårtensson (or any other elite runner of the same generation) is to just keep on orienteering: Sooner or later you will beat everyone.

This happened to me on O-Festivalen Long this June when Jörgen had an early start and came to the finish with a 10 min/km time and no serious mistakes to complain about: This meant that I knew the terrain had to be a lot tougher than it looked on the map so the idea was to keep running and not give up. I won the race by several minutes that day, by far my best result in 2016.

I'm just back from a very enjoyable trip on the Star Flyer (a Tall ship/Clipper sailing ship), organized by Jörgen and his friends in pwt.no: 8 races in 8 days, except for the first two which took place on the dutch and french side of Sint Marteen/St Martin we visited a new island every day.

Jörgen ran around every morning putting out the controls, on only one day was he overtaken by the first starters on a control far from the start/finish.

https://tmsw.no/qr/show_map.php?user=terjem&ma...
Dec 17, 2016 10:12 PM # 
EricW:
If you haven't heard it enough, congratulations on the O-Fest triumph!

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