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Discussion: activity tracker

in: Orienteering; Gear & Toys

Sep 1, 2016 6:48 AM # 
Which activity tracker is better for orienteering? Strava or Runkeeper? I've seen that downloading gpx data from Strava is possible only in the paid version. I am using as GPS tracker a Samsung Gear Fit 2. Thanks.
Sep 1, 2016 7:03 AM # 
You can download your own data from Strava without paying anything - I think you have to pay to download other peoples'.
Sep 1, 2016 12:59 PM # 
I prefer attackpoint over both of those (and I do push data to both, as well as garmin connect)
Sep 1, 2016 6:47 PM # 
Garmin connect integrates well with Strava so once you connect it you can forget about Strava, all you workouts will be there.
I bulk upload from Garmin connect here to Attackpoint, once a week or so with the Garmin connect web sync which works fast and easy.

So with less than 5 mins per week I get all my workouts on 3 places.

As what is best for orienteering, I think QuickRoute and uploading its output somewhere. I have not been able to use QR easy enough to make a habit out of it.
Sep 1, 2016 9:34 PM # 
Garmin Connect (and Suunto Movescount) can upload to Strava, but that helps only if you have a Garmin or Suunto device (so you get automatic uploads - whether you manually upload to GC or Strava makes no big difference. The OP's Samsung device is unlikely to do that.

As to fitness for orienteering, Strava has a lot of weird activities, but not O, so it's not ideal. You can pretend you just went running, of course. I am not sure about Runkeeper.

Finally, the ideal tool to upload QuickRoute output to send to be DOMA (also by Mats Troeng). You can easily host your own instance if you have webspace with PHP and MySQL (I.e. if you can host WordPress, you can also host DOMA).
Sep 2, 2016 12:25 AM # 
I use Quickroute and DOMA by Mats, as well as Garmin Connect. But I am enamoured by Mats latest product- Livelox. Its not the solution for training, but for recording events it is by far the best I have tried. I login with my Eventor identity, read the fit file off the garmin, and then select the course. No fiddling with the gps trace as with Quickroute. The georeferencing is done by the event organiser. Even neater is the ability to use an Andoid or Apple app to have your efforts part of a live tracking system at the event. The rapid uptake of Livelox is testament to how it has successfully pulled together all the orienteering event tracking requirements into one simple package. I think there were 26 events recorded on it one day last weekend.
I think the business model will be a charge to see more than one gps track at a time, but it was still all free the last time I used it.
Sep 2, 2016 12:43 AM # 
The georeferencing is done by the event organiser.

Hahahahahahahaha...hahaha...hehehe...stop, you're killing me. :p
Sep 2, 2016 2:18 AM # 
It has worked for our events. Its cludgy for us because Aus coordinate systems are not yet built in. If they are (hoping we subscribe to the map repository system associated with Eventor), then it will be simple. Many of our maps are lidar based. Eventually they all will be.
Sep 2, 2016 2:59 AM # 
For minor events, it would seem to suffer from the same problem that RouteGadget always did - it relies on the organiser/setter to upload courses or send them to someone who will. And that has to be done within about 6 hours of the event or people start losing interest.

For major events you get a bigger window of interest, a bigger pool of competitors and more chance that you'd have something set up ahead of time to get it up fast. But from my experience of running the WA RG site for 5+ years and maintaining TBT, the more hands-off the better - it doesn't matter how many times you tell setters "send your courses to [x]" most of them won't do it without being nagged.
Sep 2, 2016 7:50 AM # 
Its only being done for our week night training so far. The difference is... it is set up before the event. Then at the event, you just run the phone app and it will upload while you have reception. Thats normal around Bendigo. Remote maps will be a problem. If you run with a gps watch instaed, the upload is way easier than RG. I gave up on RG due to all the various java and browser compatibility issues. It was frustrating. It really is fool proof for the competitor. But like most innovations in orienteering, it means someone in the backroom needs another skill.
Sep 5, 2016 5:57 AM # 
Thanks :-)
Sep 12, 2016 6:02 AM # 
@TheInvisibleLog: We had national race last weekend and now 45% of participants has posted their track to RG and it may well hit the magical 50% today. Of those posted 25% are GPS tracks and rest are hand drawn. This will be out all time record for sure, result of event being posted to RG one hour after the event, dropping java couple of years ago to make it usable again, auto-calibrating gps tracks based on splits to make any adjustments or geo-referencing not necessary and a gift card being rafted among those who post their track in two days.
Nov 19, 2017 11:34 PM # 
Update (1 year later). Changed the Samsung Gear Fit 2 to a Garmin fenix 3 watch which is more accurate thanks to Glonass/GPS. The Strava is perfect for gpx collection and you can enjoy the 'View flybys' function too. It's fun on score events. The Quickroute is fantastic and I am using a lot standalone and with Google Earth too. Recently I've seen the Relive ( which is a nice re-run app (unfortunately no orienteering map adding possibilities). There is any chance to see further developments on the Quickroute app?
Nov 20, 2017 1:49 AM # 
But from my experience of running the WA RG site for 5+ years and maintaining TBT, the more hands-off the better - it doesn't matter how many times you tell setters "send your courses to [x]" most of them won't do it without being nagged.

...which now seems to have turned into 'the program developer won't upload maps without being nagged' :P
Nov 20, 2017 6:02 AM # 
Really, Ricky? Really?

You see a comment from 14 months ago in a resurrected thread, and your first instinct is to stick the knife in one more time just in case I've completely missed the other six times?

I've had it with your snide comments on TBT, and whether maps or courses go up in a timely manner, or at all. Fuck off, and take your bullshit attitude with you.
Nov 20, 2017 10:44 AM # 
Err, okay thanks I think. Thing is I'm on the receiving end as well if the results and associated materials don't appear in a timely manner - I wasn't even at last week's event and I still got people hammering me asking where results/Eventor/TBT is at and I wasn't even involved!

So yeah I throw a few oddball comments on AP to stir people up - hell knows emails don't seem to work (and that's not just directed at you). I didn't mean for you to take it that personally but - and I know you put a lot of work into it - you are the only person I know who can actually do TBT updates and it is directly linked to the OWA website, which I keep getting told over and over is meant to be a professional outfit. Sorry, won't bother you again with anything unless directed to by other parties.
Nov 20, 2017 8:12 PM # 
Heh heh. Just moving to higher ground before the tsunami arrives..

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