Discussion: Control Card for Score O ?
in: Orienteering; General
Dec 30, 2014 11:10 PM
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Before I go re-inventing the wheel (re-designing the card) does anyone have a template for a control card specifically for Score Orienteering that you could send me?
It should have places for at least 15 punches, numbered 1-15,
place to list start/ finish/ elapsed time.
Also room to total points and assign penalty points to find net points.
Name and Club, too.
Is that asking too much?
It should have places for at least 15 punches, numbered 1-15,
place to list start/ finish/ elapsed time.
Also room to total points and assign penalty points to find net points.
Name and Club, too.
Is that asking too much?
Dec 30, 2014 11:31 PM
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Most control cards I have seen seem to fit those requirements. What is there special that you need over what a normal meet used to use? Remember that control cards were printed on tyvek for a reason, and one printed on regular paper probably isn't going to last very long in typical use if you decide to try and print your own.
The better question is why you need printed control cards? Who wants to go to an event without epunching these days?
The better question is why you need printed control cards? Who wants to go to an event without epunching these days?
Dec 31, 2014 12:48 AM
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Possible reasons for punch cards:
More controls needed that club sticks support (granted, not with 15!)
Not hosted by the o club (renting all the stuff, etc.)
Controls to be placed too far in advance or in too high of traffic ($12 versus $150 - does anyone have a good lock solution?!)
Event is time adjacent to a more formal e punched event
Contact paper on both sides will sufficiently waterproof and strengthen a punch card for rough, wet use
I prefer epunch but traveled extensively this year to paper punch events that were lots of fun.
More controls needed that club sticks support (granted, not with 15!)
Not hosted by the o club (renting all the stuff, etc.)
Controls to be placed too far in advance or in too high of traffic ($12 versus $150 - does anyone have a good lock solution?!)
Event is time adjacent to a more formal e punched event
Contact paper on both sides will sufficiently waterproof and strengthen a punch card for rough, wet use
I prefer epunch but traveled extensively this year to paper punch events that were lots of fun.
Dec 31, 2014 1:31 AM
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One advantage of control cards, especially for score-o events, is that you can see what controls you have already visited.
Dec 31, 2014 2:11 AM
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Who wants to go to an event without epunching these days?
Speaking just for myself, whether an event uses epunching or pin punching has exactly zero impact on whether I'd want to attend it. It's about equivalent to what color jugs the water will be in.
Speaking just for myself, whether an event uses epunching or pin punching has exactly zero impact on whether I'd want to attend it. It's about equivalent to what color jugs the water will be in.
Dec 31, 2014 3:11 PM
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Who wants to go to an event without e-punching?
Well I guess it would be the some 400 JROTC cadets in Florida who come to events where e-punch is rarely used (two events out of seven so far this school year) and one of the organizations (Suncoast) is just forming and does not yet have e-punch equipment.
Of course I could use a regular control card but they do not easily have places to record points AND times so I was wondering if anyone had one that did.
to minimize gang running I am modifying the mass start to have one cadet from each school start each minute or two so it is important to track times. I'm calling it the MMS2MMR
As to the control card here in FL they are called a punch card and they are printed on a durable cardboard paper that will disintegrate when soaked but not when casually wet. Participants are advice to coat them with transparent tape.
But thanks to Go Orienteering I have a supply of tyvek cards I slip in to the event if rain is threatened.
Well I guess it would be the some 400 JROTC cadets in Florida who come to events where e-punch is rarely used (two events out of seven so far this school year) and one of the organizations (Suncoast) is just forming and does not yet have e-punch equipment.
Of course I could use a regular control card but they do not easily have places to record points AND times so I was wondering if anyone had one that did.
to minimize gang running I am modifying the mass start to have one cadet from each school start each minute or two so it is important to track times. I'm calling it the MMS2MMR
As to the control card here in FL they are called a punch card and they are printed on a durable cardboard paper that will disintegrate when soaked but not when casually wet. Participants are advice to coat them with transparent tape.
But thanks to Go Orienteering I have a supply of tyvek cards I slip in to the event if rain is threatened.
Dec 31, 2014 3:48 PM
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Our entire summer series (scatter) uses manual punching, where splits between controls matter exactly zero. People seem to like it (except Bryce).
Dec 31, 2014 4:33 PM
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Does this work for you
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21240768/Score...
I revised something else I had so I can make other changes if you want, just let me know.
Good luck
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21240768/Score...
I revised something else I had so I can make other changes if you want, just let me know.
Good luck
Dec 31, 2014 5:48 PM
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That is perfect Carl, absolutely PERFECT.
Thank you so much.
The cadets run on color coded courses - Yellow Novice, Orange Intermediate, and Green Advanced also known as Novice, Junior Varsity and Varsity.
so the cards are printed on correspondingly colored cardboard.
I have set the event so novice has one set of 15 controls, JV has about 5 novice controls and 10 at their level, Varsity has 2 novice, three JV and 10 advanced controls. I'm confident it will work out if we have enough volunteers at the scoring tables.
The public gets to run one of the three courses OR run the Super Score course of all the controls. so if you are in the Tampa Bay area on Jan 10th come on over to Ft de Soto.
Thank you Carl.
Thank you so much.
The cadets run on color coded courses - Yellow Novice, Orange Intermediate, and Green Advanced also known as Novice, Junior Varsity and Varsity.
so the cards are printed on correspondingly colored cardboard.
I have set the event so novice has one set of 15 controls, JV has about 5 novice controls and 10 at their level, Varsity has 2 novice, three JV and 10 advanced controls. I'm confident it will work out if we have enough volunteers at the scoring tables.
The public gets to run one of the three courses OR run the Super Score course of all the controls. so if you are in the Tampa Bay area on Jan 10th come on over to Ft de Soto.
Thank you Carl.
Dec 31, 2014 11:02 PM
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Actually, now that I think of it, epunching has even less added value to the competitor for a score-O.
Dec 31, 2014 11:52 PM
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All of Cascade's events are e-punch, except two score-o's: vampire-o (impossible), and corn maze (so you can see what you've punched, since everything looks the same).
But I might switch to e-punch for the corn maze next year, because people have been asking for it. It'll also save me a lot of results-calculating with our fastest-growing event.
Because it's a score-o and in a maze, most people, elites included, carry a pen, so even if we switch scoring systems, most people will have a way to cross off which controls they've visited.
But I might switch to e-punch for the corn maze next year, because people have been asking for it. It'll also save me a lot of results-calculating with our fastest-growing event.
Because it's a score-o and in a maze, most people, elites included, carry a pen, so even if we switch scoring systems, most people will have a way to cross off which controls they've visited.
Jan 1, 2015 3:33 AM
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Epunch for score-o does have a value verifying correct checkpoint (in this example sounds like there are extra controls on different courses so mispunch is even more of an issue)
Total time would be calculated by the computer (again this example not all starting at the same time so total time needs to be calculated and not just write down finish time)
Scores and penalties would be calculated by computer (this example only need a person to watch the download instead of a bunch of volunteers to score cards and it would be accurate and instant)
If you had access to epunch equipment for this event and weren't using it you would be foolish considering the work that could be saved for this kind of event with so many people, multiple courses, and needing to calculate elapsed time because not mass start.
Vampire-O is also possible slightly contrived and you still use a paper punch card too. I mostly use it to have finish times calculated and then you add up the points on the punch cards. You can also have epunch units at the flags and those points can't get taken by the vampire as your SI-card stays with you and you still only trade paper punch cards. This year we only did it for two bonus 'ghost' checkpoints that were only available to punch during a certain time period then disappear. This gives a location that the vampires know will likely have people nearby during a certain time window.
Total time would be calculated by the computer (again this example not all starting at the same time so total time needs to be calculated and not just write down finish time)
Scores and penalties would be calculated by computer (this example only need a person to watch the download instead of a bunch of volunteers to score cards and it would be accurate and instant)
If you had access to epunch equipment for this event and weren't using it you would be foolish considering the work that could be saved for this kind of event with so many people, multiple courses, and needing to calculate elapsed time because not mass start.
Vampire-O is also possible slightly contrived and you still use a paper punch card too. I mostly use it to have finish times calculated and then you add up the points on the punch cards. You can also have epunch units at the flags and those points can't get taken by the vampire as your SI-card stays with you and you still only trade paper punch cards. This year we only did it for two bonus 'ghost' checkpoints that were only available to punch during a certain time period then disappear. This gives a location that the vampires know will likely have people nearby during a certain time window.
Jan 1, 2015 3:36 AM
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Value for the organizer, yes (or at least potentially so). For the competitor, not so much.
Jan 1, 2015 8:23 AM
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GuyO:
As with all e-punch events, one key value to the competitor is almost instantaneous results.
Jan 2, 2015 6:11 AM
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Punching the little boxes on punch cards is really hard and frustrating.
Jan 2, 2015 2:07 PM
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Properly done pin punching can give results faster than the less than competent epunching at many events I've been to. It's more the operator than the equipment. Not that waiting a few seconds for results is a significant factor anyway.
Jan 3, 2015 1:38 AM
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Assuming different points for different controls, a time-saver is to design the card to facilitate totaling the score by volunteers. The easiest probably is "5 pts each in Row 1" and "10 pts each in Row 2". But if you want 5, 10, 15, 20 pt controls, for example, you could use bold borders for each region.
Also, if a course has 16 controls, you could use boxes #1-8 and #11-18 instead of #1-16 if it facilitates totaling.
Also, if a course has 16 controls, you could use boxes #1-8 and #11-18 instead of #1-16 if it facilitates totaling.
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